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Postby flamingfingers » Apr 22nd, 2017, 5:53 pm

My daughter's dog - I have known him for at least 4 years - a Lab-Pyrenees cross she got from the SPCA when he was 5 or 6 has been the most gentle dog one could imagine. My grandkids at 4 and 5 could lay on him, pull back his lips to examine his teeth, play with his tail, play chase with him without any sign of impatience from the dog. After many off leash times with other dogs, people on bikes, hikers, kids, etc on this trail, with no issues, he all of a sudden bit a guy on a bike, drawing blood. Just one bite and the dog walked away - no barking, growling or trying to bite again. Apparently no one else actually saw what happened - my daughter and her friend - also with an unleashed dog were well back when it happened and apparently the incident was so quick that no one else took notice.

My immediate reaction of course is to put the dog down. My second thoughts were that the dog could never be trusted again and needed to be muzzled and on leash forever more.

More distantly I am wondering if the biker startled the dog or happened to run into him and the dog reactively bit.

Hm.....
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Re: First bite

Postby Fancy » Apr 22nd, 2017, 6:05 pm

Dogs can bite - they have teeth - and they are animals. People are the ones that say "my dog would never bite" etc etc. Of course they can under certain circumstances. Some dogs are more prone to this behaviour than others. Guard dogs, inbred dogs, little dogs that think they are bigger etc. etc. I look at it as I can't predict anyone's behaviour because I don't read minds. I can't read a dog's mind either so I'm very protective of them so I don't let kids maul them and don't take chances no matter what the breed and temperament. Dogs don't necessarily indicate they are about to bite - no growling, no raising of hairs on the back of the neck, they still have a wagging tail which does not mean a happy dog. Sad when a dog feels the need to bite - that's a no win situation.
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Re: First bite

Postby Bsuds » Apr 22nd, 2017, 6:21 pm

It's obviously the bike riders fault and he should be put down! :smt045

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Re: First bite

Postby Bleach » Apr 22nd, 2017, 6:44 pm

there is something with dogs and bikes, for whatever reason. On my bike I have been bitten 2 times, by two different dogs.

It is operators error, not the dogs fault. I don't remember of it drew blood or not. (might have, I get a bit battered up when I am biking.)
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Re: First bite

Postby flamingfingers » Apr 22nd, 2017, 6:45 pm

Bsuds wrote:It's obviously the bike riders fault and he should be put down! :smt045


I never really thought you were so silly!
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Re: First bite

Postby mexi cali » Apr 22nd, 2017, 7:00 pm

Putting the dog down for an incident such as the one you describe would be unnecessary and harsh given the animals history.

It should however give you reason to pay a bit more attention too it moving forward to ensure that there isn't something psychologically different due to age or illness that may mean making decsisions regarding treatment or other options.

Years ago, my family had a golden retriever that we rescued from the mean streets. He didn't even bark for months let alone act aggressively toward anyone.

Several years later, we were building a home and for some unusual reason, he took an instant dislike to the general contractor. Whenever this guy was on site, we had to make sure Leo was somewhere else or the guy couldn't get out of his car. every time he saw him but only him. None of the workers had any issues with him.

Then a bit later, we were camping in the mountains and while out walking with him, we came across a truck/camper parked along side the road and there was a guy cleaning some fish he had just caught so we struck up a conversation. The back door of the camper opened and this guys fishing buddy stepped out and again, Leo senese something and lunged at the guy.

we were concerned that he was maybe turning a bit but these turned out to be isolated incidents and had more to do with the people involved than the dogs temperament.

Dogs are great judges of character so who knows what your dog sensed in this biker. You will never know but what you do know is that he has the capability so as a matter of course, be diligent in your handling of him and understand that it may happen again but not necessarily because he decided to be a bad asss all of a sudden.

Sounds like a pretty good boy too me.
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Re: First bite

Postby mexi cali » Apr 22nd, 2017, 7:06 pm

My grandkids at 4 and 5 could lay on him, pull back his lips to examine his teeth, play with his tail, play chase with him without any sign of impatience from the dog


I have to make the point about this for anyone who has a dog or spends any time around dogs. This kind of indifference to animals that we think we know is what can lead to grizzly headlines because of indifference and complacency.

Dogs are wonderful animals. I have had them all of my life without interruption. But down inside, underneath all that fur, they are still animals and any of them, big or small can suddenly and without warning decide that enough is enough and lash out with a mouth full of teeth and a sudden bad attitude.

Love them and take care of them but always be aware of the potential ESPECIALLY AROUND KIDS!!!!
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Re: First bite

Postby mexi cali » Apr 22nd, 2017, 7:07 pm

For the record, if a kid, any kid pulls my lips back to look at my teeth? They are gonna get a hurt, real bad.
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Re: First bite

Postby ifwisheswerehorses » Apr 22nd, 2017, 8:19 pm

Keep him on a leash and pay attention especially in areas the do not have off-leash designation. Bikers fault or not the dog was not under control so if the biker decides to pursue matters your daughters' kind of up the creek.
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Re: First bite

Postby kgcayenne » Apr 22nd, 2017, 9:38 pm

Damn. What a sad situation. I hope the authorities consider everything, and the dog is not harmed. Leashes can save lives.
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Re: First bite

Postby annexi » Apr 22nd, 2017, 10:19 pm

flamingfingers wrote:My daughter's dog - I have known him for at least 4 years - a Lab-Pyrenees cross she got from the SPCA when he was 5 or 6 has been the most gentle dog one could imagine. My grandkids at 4 and 5 could lay on him, pull back his lips to examine his teeth, play with his tail, play chase with him without any sign of impatience from the dog. After many off leash times with other dogs, people on bikes, hikers, kids, etc on this trail, with no issues, he all of a sudden bit a guy on a bike, drawing blood. Just one bite and the dog walked away - no barking, growling or trying to bite again. Apparently no one else actually saw what happened - my daughter and her friend - also with an unleashed dog were well back when it happened and apparently the incident was so quick that no one else took notice.

My immediate reaction of course is to put the dog down. My second thoughts were that the dog could never be trusted again and needed to be muzzled and on leash forever more.

More distantly I am wondering if the biker startled the dog or happened to run into him and the dog reactively bit.

Hm.....

Obviously we can't let dogs bite people, but to think about putting the dog down, if the history of the dog is true, would be really extreme. Sounds like some anomalous one-off in this case. It's now up to the owner to make sure it never happens again.
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Re: First bite

Postby Bsuds » Apr 23rd, 2017, 5:18 am

Years ago we had 2 dogs that were in a dog run when we were at work. One was a Husky cross we got from the SPCA and who we thought wouldn't hurt a fly. One day while we had them out he nipped at a neighbour kid. Just a nip on the butt.

We were ready to put him down till another neighbour told us they saw him poking at the dogs through the fence with a hockey stick! The dog was getting even. lol

The kid was told to stay away from our house and all was well after.

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Re: First bite

Postby Jflem1983 » May 18th, 2017, 10:35 pm

I had a Malinois who hated bikes . Anything that moved she hated . Should have been a cop dog that girl
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Re: First bite

Postby LANDM » May 19th, 2017, 7:05 am

mexi cali wrote:This kind of indifference to animals that we think we know is what can lead to grizzly headlines....


I can imagine the headlines....."Chihuahua turns into the grizzly from The Revenant".

That would turn out to be grisly indeed.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Re: First bite

Postby fvkasm2x » May 31st, 2017, 9:22 am

flamingfingers wrote:
My immediate reaction of course is to put the dog down. My second thoughts were that the dog could never be trusted again and needed to be muzzled and on leash forever more.

More distantly I am wondering if the biker startled the dog or happened to run into him and the dog reactively bit.

Hm.....


What? No way do you put the dog down.

If he's never shown signs of aggression, you can work with him.

It's scary to me that was your immediate reaction. Based on the info given, my first reaction is that this guy kicked out at him or did something to spook the dog.
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