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Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby GordonH » Jul 14th, 2015, 6:00 pm

Hwy 97 has far to many traffic lights as it is now adding another one would be stupid, spend the extra money & put in an underpass at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd.

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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Gixxer » Jul 14th, 2015, 6:18 pm

I like the idea of a t-intersection.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Verminator » Jul 14th, 2015, 6:40 pm

GordonH wrote:Hwy 97 has far to many traffic lights as it is now adding another one would be stupid, spend the extra money & put in an underpass at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd.


So how would that work? There are homes and an RV park on the Swan Lake side of Hwy 97 where on-and-off ramps would have to be built if an underpass were to go in. As frustrating as they can be, sometimes traffic lights are the safest and most cost-effective way to go.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Gixxer » Jul 14th, 2015, 6:48 pm

Read the report, it explains a traffic light would make it more dangerous with potential rear end accidents and drivers running a red light.

Vehicles from the camp ground wanting to go northbound would have to go southbound to get turned around. The volume of traffic leaving the camp ground to travel northbound is minimal.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby John500 » Jul 15th, 2015, 9:53 am

You are dealing with the Ministry of transportation. Is not that the same people that put that HOV lane into Kelowna? Dont forget they always know better. (sarcasm)
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby BCGrrrrl » Jul 15th, 2015, 12:26 pm

I would dearly love to know just which planet some of these people live on. Having worked at a company out there I can say from personal experience that my trip to work on H97 was always safer than my trip home on PV rd. It is time the Ministry people pulled their heads out of the shady portion of their anatomy and put their brains in gear. The north end of Vernon has grown substantially in the last 15 yrs and the Ministry is still planning one year at a time. \With plans to expand sewer out there and other upgrades as well it would be most appropriate to build and put lights in to a safe intersection at the same time. SMH

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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby GordonH » Jul 15th, 2015, 12:54 pm

BCGrrrrl wrote:I would dearly love to know just which planet some of these people live on. Having worked at a company out there I can say from personal experience that my trip to work on H97 was always safer than my trip home on PV rd. It is time the Ministry people pulled their heads out of the shady portion of their anatomy and put their brains in gear. The north end of Vernon has grown substantially in the last 15 yrs and the Ministry is still planning one year at a time. \With plans to expand sewer out there and other upgrades as well it would be most appropriate to build and put lights in to a safe intersection at the same time. SMH


Actually if MOTI would do the right thing and look years down the road they would be installing more under or over passes, instead of traffic lights (wherever possible). That way it would not effect traffic flow.

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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby BCGrrrrl » Jul 15th, 2015, 8:08 pm

GordonH you are very right. Instead of looking down the years I was trying to save tax dollars and get a quick fix. Okay, I actually live on Pluto, no traffic there, :)
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Always Sunny » Jul 15th, 2015, 8:25 pm

I was listening to some lady on the radio speaking about this yesterday. I'm not sure who she was or her role (I caught it part way through).

She wanted lights at that intersection. Her well thought out reasoning.

"People say lights will slow down the highway traffic. But lights slow down traffic all over the place, so what's the difference".

It's inefficient and unsafe dummy. If it's already not working well for traffic flow, what the heck makes you think this is a good idea.

As someone who works in that area often, I would much prefer the T-intersection as well.

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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby GordonH » Jul 15th, 2015, 8:45 pm

Always Sunny wrote:I was listening to some lady on the radio speaking about this yesterday. I'm not sure who she was or her role (I caught it part way through).

She wanted lights at that intersection. Her well thought out reasoning.

"People say lights will slow down the highway traffic. But lights slow down traffic all over the place, so what's the difference".

It's inefficient and unsafe dummy. If it's already not working well for traffic flow, what the heck makes you think this is a good idea.

As someone who works in that area often, I would much prefer the T-intersection as well.


So with a T-intersection the residents & visitors of RV Park would be sh*t out of luck then. Forcing them to make dangerous U-turn past the scales if heading north on Hwy 97. Just to return to there RV/home.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Always Sunny » Jul 15th, 2015, 9:02 pm

GordonH wrote:So with a T-intersection the residents & visitors of RV Park would sh*t out of luck then. Forcing them to make dangerous U-turn past the scales if heading north on Hwy 97. Just to return to there RV/home.


So apparently I misunderstood this entire part of the proposal?
Current Proposal

• Construct a Protected T intersection to allow left turns from Stickle Road on to Highway 97 towards Vernon
Provide a separate left turn with turn around access for the Silver Star RV Park area


When the proposal also states that for every ONE left turn northbound onto Highway 97 during peak hours, there are 12-19 turning southbound. I would say that option is for the greater good of the majority of drivers and provides the most efficient flow of through traffic.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Gixxer » Jul 15th, 2015, 9:27 pm

GordonH wrote:
So with a T-intersection the residents & visitors of RV Park would be sh*t out of luck then. Forcing them to make dangerous U-turn past the scales if heading north on Hwy 97. Just to return to there RV/home.



http://www.vernon.ca/transportation/doc ... Vernon.pdf

There will be a left turn u-turn lane just past the intersection for people wanting to turn into the camp ground. Seems like it will be dangerous with commercial vehicles exiting from the weigh scale.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby jimmy4321 » Jul 17th, 2015, 5:54 am

For starters if nothing else gets done, at the very least lower the speed limit and have it enforced.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Dizzy1 » Jul 28th, 2015, 12:18 pm

I'd prefer the T intersection as well myself. Otherwise, use PV Road. Once you put a light up there, then they'll want one at Meadowlark and again by Swan Lake Nursery - next thing you know, the north end of Vernon will end up as a parking lot as is the cluster fudge that is West Kelowna.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby GordonH » Jul 28th, 2015, 12:44 pm

Dizzy1 wrote:I'd prefer the T intersection as well myself. Otherwise, use PV Road. Once you put a light up there, then they'll want one at Meadowlark and again by Swan Lake Nursery - next thing you know, the north end of Vernon will end up as a parking lot as is the cluster fudge that is West Kelowna.


Based on the options T intersection is the best, agree about traffic lights very bad idea.

Added later: MOTI has to really start using under or over passes as much as possible to keep traffic flowing, stop with the easy/cheap fix of traffic lights
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