Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Dizzy1 » May 28th, 2016, 6:44 pm

The number one priority of traffic planning is to move traffic in a safe and efficient manner. Stopping traffic for a handful of vehicles (in the grand schemes of things) when there is a perfectly viable alternate is short of ridiculous.

The biggest problem with that intersection, for example, turning left from Squires going back into town is not the traffic, its the visibility. The line of sight is terrible looking for southbound traffic. Fix that and half the battle is won.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby dontrump » May 28th, 2016, 7:30 pm

Dizzy1 wrote:The number one priority of traffic planning is to move traffic in a safe and efficient manner. Stopping traffic for a handful of vehicles (in the grand schemes of things) when there is a perfectly viable alternate is short of ridiculous.

The biggest problem with that intersection, for example, turning left from Squires going back into town is not the traffic, its the visibility. The line of sight is terrible looking for southbound traffic. Fix that and half the battle is won.


put a traffic lite in. end of story. so simple but too many simple minded people allowed to work as MOT people and what u have is a proposed 9 million *bleep* idea
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Verminator » May 28th, 2016, 7:34 pm

To be honest, I don't understand why people are in such a big effin' hurry to turn left from Stickle in the first place. By the time they're finished waiting for a break in the traffic on 97, I'm already halfway to town via PV Road. It makes no sense to me why anyone would want to turn left there at all, period. As for trusting the MoT to deal with this in the most appropriate, cost-efficient and SAFE manner, building that God-forsaken overpass the way they did should put that notion to rest.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby GordonH » May 28th, 2016, 7:44 pm

Or use free option that is already there Pleasant Valley Rd, that has been mentioned.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Dizzy1 » May 28th, 2016, 7:45 pm

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put a traffic lite in. end of story. so simple but too many simple minded people allowed to work as MOT people and what u have is a proposed 9 million *bleep* idea

Once again don, its not "end of story" - you're failing to understand what traffic planning is about. Its not about a handful of people, its about the big picture. And the big picture suggests that a traffic light is the least sensible option as there already is an alternate route. Sure its an incovience for a few, but not nearly as inconvenient for the others the light will effect.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Glacier » May 28th, 2016, 7:56 pm

An overpass is quite doable at quite a few intersections but he government is too busy blowing $20 billion of our money to upgrade Vancouver. The fact that there is a traffic light every 3 km from Osoyoos to the Kamloops intersection is pathetic. No place outside of perhaps third world hell-hole countries build major highways like this.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Always Sunny » May 28th, 2016, 8:30 pm

Let's take the intersection of Highway 97/Stickle Road to the intersection of 48th Ave/27th Street (Village Green Mall/PetroCan).

1.) Via PV Road it works out to roughly 1.72 miles (2.76km)

2.) Via Highway 97 it's 1.26 miles (2.02km)

Stopping traffic all day long to save someone less than 1/2 a mile??
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Dizzy1 » May 28th, 2016, 8:33 pm

Always Sunny wrote:Let's take the intersection of Highway 97/Stickle Road to the intersection of 48th Ave/27th Street (Village Green Mall/PetroCan).

1.) Via PV Road it works out to roughly 1.72 miles (2.76km)

2.) Via Highway 97 it's 1.26 miles (2.02km)

Stopping traffic all day long to save someone less than 1/2 a mile??

Yeah, but then they might get stuck at traffic lights ;)
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Always Sunny » May 28th, 2016, 8:40 pm

Dizzy1 wrote:Yeah, but then they might get stuck at traffic lights ;)

There is a light at PV/48th Ave (though a right turn, so barely counts) and one at 20th Street for the PV route.

But there is one at Anderson Way/Hwy 97, 53rd Street/Hwy 97, and potentially Stickle/Hwy 97...

Still fewer lights to wait through by not taking the highway...just saying :D
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby dontrump » May 29th, 2016, 7:47 am

Stopping traffic all day long to save someone less than 1/2 a mile??

your not stopping traffic all day long. there are peak periods where a control is required and there,s a lot more to it than
saving a single a single person a 1/2 mile. The lite required here is a lot more important than say the one they put at say 35 street to accommodate tim hortons. All u had to do there is turn right and go down a few blocks in either direction to 39 to get back on 27 or 97 highway.The point is in my opinion its less money and less fuss to install a simple sensor controlled traffic lite plus enhanced turn lanes than to build that goofy 20 street extention As far as stopping the flow of Hy 97 traffic?? so what? its stopped at a 1000 places as you travel north or south that is a ridiculous argument to say the least
and then they have not eliminated any of the dangers of left turns off 97 to stickle road or anyone attempting to cross the highway?
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Gixxer » May 29th, 2016, 8:02 am

dontrump wrote: As far as stopping the flow of Hy 97 traffic?? so what?


Because its already too much. Enough is enough already. The flow of the highway is more important than drivers turning left or right off of the highway.

Why is it so difficult that these drivers spend maybe an extra 2 minutes of their time to go around?

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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Dizzy1 » May 29th, 2016, 8:23 am

dontrump wrote:your not stopping traffic all day long. there are peak periods where a control is required and there,s a lot more to it than
saving a single a single person a 1/2 mile. The lite required here is a lot more important than say the one they put at say 35 street to accommodate tim hortons. All u had to do there is turn right and go down a few blocks in either direction to 39 to get back on 27 or 97 highway.The point is in my opinion its less money and less fuss to install a simple sensor controlled traffic lite plus enhanced turn lanes than to build that goofy 20 street extention As far as stopping the flow of Hy 97 traffic?? so what? its stopped at a 1000 places as you travel north or south that is a ridiculous argument to say the least
and then they have not eliminated any of the dangers of left turns off 97 to stickle road or anyone attempting to cross the highway?

My opinion is don't spend a penny and leave it the way it is - well maybe improve the line of sight looking north. Keep traffic flowing in an efficient manner.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Always Sunny » May 29th, 2016, 9:34 am

dontrump wrote:As far as stopping the flow of Hy 97 traffic?? so what?

Gixxer wrote:Because its already too much. Enough is enough already. The flow of the highway is more important than drivers turning left or right off of the highway.

Why is it so difficult that these drivers spend maybe an extra 2 minutes of their time to go around?

Dizzy1 wrote:My opinion is don't spend a penny and leave it the way it is - well maybe improve the line of sight looking north. Keep traffic flowing in an efficient manner.

What they said.

There's little sense in spending more money to bog down this highway even more than it is. I'll gladly take the extra minute or two to take the PV route, rather than stop dozens of vehicles traveling at highway speed.

dontrump wrote:your not stopping traffic all day long. there are peak periods where a control is required and there,s a lot more to it than saving a single a single person a 1/2 mile...its stopped at a 1000 places as you travel north or south that is a ridiculous argument to say the least...

Of course you're stopping traffic all day long. Any time a vehicle wants to turn at these "lites" traffic on 97 will be forced to stop. What is this peak nonsense? Do you suggest that the lights only change at certain times of the day, rendering them useless to anyone wanting to turn left at non-peak times?

Dude, just because the highway is already stopping you at "1000 places" doesn't mean making it 1001 is any kind of solution. That right there, is a ridiculous argument.

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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby Gixxer » May 29th, 2016, 11:12 am

Ive taken PV road lots. No problem at all.
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Re: Changes at Hwy 97 & Stickle Rd north-end of Vernon

Postby dontrump » May 29th, 2016, 4:05 pm

Gixxer wrote:Ive taken PV road lots. No problem at all.

yes we know, were happy for you as you have told us so many times but that has no bearing on the subject at hand
no one cares what road u use. thousands of travellers whom have no idea what or where PV road is at issue here
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