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RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Bsuds » Aug 24th, 2016, 8:27 am

I'm glad the couple on the motorcycle weren't hurt too badly and from that article it seems the Officer made a mistake.
At least from what we are told there.
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Glacier » Aug 24th, 2016, 1:17 pm

I saw this happen in a movie once, but then Steven Seagal merely jump over the police car, and kept on riding. Why this motorcyclists didn't think to do that here is beyond me.
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 26th, 2016, 10:02 am

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I'll throw a curve at you. Who has the right away, Police displaying emergency lights or motorcycle? What is the speed one must tavel when passing a Emergency vehicle with lights on?

Lastly, what was the Officer doing at the time he/she pulled out? Why did the motorcycle operator not stop?

I don't have the answers either...Who started this post...MJ? Police Ramming, they do that at times, but jump much that suggests they intended on running into the motor bike, which do we know the facts?

Or maybe the officer simply didn't pay attention and look very carefully before he/she pulled a U Turn in front of oncoming traffic.
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby dontrump » Aug 27th, 2016, 2:46 pm

Or maybe the officer simply didn't pay attention and look very carefully before he/she pulled a U Turn in front of oncoming traffic.


that apparently is exactly what happened
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Tony » Aug 30th, 2016, 5:48 am

Or maybe the officer still had their emergency lights on, and the motorcycle didn't adhere to the law of 70 kph and move to the left when passing a Police vehicle?

Maybe, just maybe, that was the cause.

I have no idea, just saying maybe it wasn't the RCMP's fault.

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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 30th, 2016, 11:00 am

Tony wrote:Or maybe the officer still had their emergency lights on, and the motorcycle didn't adhere to the law of 70 kph and move to the left when passing a Police vehicle?

Maybe, just maybe, that was the cause.

I have no idea, just saying maybe it wasn't the RCMP's fault.

I agree, at this point - we have no idea. But, for arguments sake - 70km/h and moving over to the left will do nothing if the vehicle parked on the side of the road decides to pull a U Turn in front of oncoming traffic. Regardless if the officer's lights were on, the officer still has a responsibility to make sure that traffic is clear and it is safe to make that turn. One can not expect that once an emergency vehicle activates its lights, that all traffic magically comes to a stop and disappears - the real world doesn't work that way. There has to be a level of responsibility of the officers part - and with that responsibility there has to be accountability.
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby fall » Aug 31st, 2016, 9:14 am

Even Steven wrote:#LoudPipesMatter


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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Donald G » Aug 31st, 2016, 9:42 am

dontrump wrote:
It was a RCMP suburban and the cop was 100% in the wrong.He had just finished with a roadside client and burned a Uturn right in front of the motorcyclist and his wife.This cop is in deep doo doo but hes lucky he never caused a death


Postby Ken7 » Aug 24th, 2016, 7:36 am

I'll throw a curve at you. Who has the right of way, Police displaying emergency lights or motorcycle? What is the speed one must travel when passing a Emergency vehicle with lights on?


IMO if thee police vehicle did not have their emergency lights on the RCMP may as well start shoveling out the cash for making a "U-Turn" when unsafe to do so. If the lights were on on the emergency vehicle I would say that the IIO is going to have a bit of a conundrum to deal with.

The other vehicle should give way to the emergency lights but the Officer, even though they have their emergency lights flashing has an obligation to try to insure that any movements the vehicle makes can be made in safety. An example is in approaching an intersection.

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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby dontrump » Aug 31st, 2016, 10:19 am

this cop based on what I read and what the Bike riders themselves claim is 100% in the wrong and we can just
as tax payers be happy this DA female cop never severely injured or killed anyone in this situation
There will be compensation iam sure but at a lessor amount
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 31st, 2016, 10:24 am

Donald G wrote: If the lights were on on the emergency vehicle I would say that the IIO is going to have a bit of a conundrum to deal with.

What conundrum? As you said yourself ...
Donald G wrote: but the Officer, even though they have their emergency lights flashing has an obligation to try to insure that any movements the vehicle makes can be made in safety.

... if it turns out that the officer did in fact pull a u-turn in front of the bike, then lights or no lights, the officer was in the wrong and should be held to the same law everyone else would have been. There shouldn't be a conundrum.
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Donald G » Aug 31st, 2016, 6:37 pm

by Dizzy1 » Today, 10:24 am

... if it turns out that the officer did in fact pull a u-turn in front of the bike, then lights or no lights, the officer was in the wrong and should be held to the same law everyone else would have been. There shouldn't be a conundrum.


IMO there is too much missing from the article to comment further. What was the speed and location on the road of either vehicle that led up to coming into contact ?? What was the position of the vehicle that the police vehicle had just deal with ?? Were the lights activated ?? What is the configuration and surfacing of the road at that location ??

As a strong advocate of defensive driving I think the case can be made that both vehicles may have contributed to the "accident". Fortunately in BC an Independent Investigator will tentatively assess the issue, Regional Crown Council will decide on any charges and a Criminal Court and Traffic Court is available to make a final determination.

A civil finding independent of the criminal investigation will be determined through an alternate system.

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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Donald G » Aug 31st, 2016, 6:45 pm

Postby dontrump » Today, 10:19 am

this cop based on what I read and what the Bike riders themselves claim is 100% in the wrong and we can just
as tax payers be happy this DA female cop never severely injured or killed anyone in this situation
There will be compensation iam sure but at a lessor amount


Your guess could be right or it could be completely wrong. Fortunately others with the expertise and first hand knowledge of the evidence will decide the various questions that will need to be answered.

The civil aspects will be dealt with completely independent of the findings of the criminal or regulatory vehicle laws.

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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby dontrump » Aug 31st, 2016, 7:40 pm

Your guess could be right or it could be completely wrong. Fortunately others with the expertise and first hand knowledge of the evidence will decide the various questions that will need to be answered.

The civil aspects will be dealt with completely independent of the findings of the criminal or regulatory vehicle laws.


LOL its not a guess its what the bike rider says happened so doubt its nowhere near "completely wrong"
knowing how cops when in the hot seat tend to lie I suspect there may be a slightly different view coming form the police officer
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Dizzy1 » Aug 31st, 2016, 11:23 pm

Donald G wrote:
IMO there is too much missing from the article to comment further. What was the speed and location on the road of either vehicle that led up to coming into contact ?? What was the position of the vehicle that the police vehicle had just deal with ?? Were the lights activated ?? What is the configuration and surfacing of the road at that location ??

If I were to pull a U turn in front of another vehicle - would any of those be "factors" when I go to ICBC or an officer issuing me a ticket?

If, the officer did pull a U Turn - it was unsafe. I agree, all those points you made are completely valid - but that doesn't mean the officer made a boo boo if in fact he/she did pull a U turn.
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Re: RCMP ramming motorcyclist on Hwy 6

Postby Ken7 » Sep 12th, 2016, 4:52 pm

dontrump wrote:
LOL its not a guess its what the bike rider says happened so doubt its nowhere near "completely wrong"
knowing how cops when in the hot seat tend to lie I suspect there may be a slightly different view coming form the police officer


Please don't paint all with the same brush. I always found the truth worked out best, if in the wrong why dig deeper.

I've seen many a total lie by Civilian while under oath and then there is the old line. Defence lawyer to client, "Don't you lie on the stand, let me do it!"

Will be interesting to see what the investigation reviles.
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