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Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimidated

Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimidated

Postby foodsmith » Sep 12th, 2017, 10:27 pm

https://www.castanet.net/news/Vernon/20 ... e-in-class

Two previous suspensions for this teacher, both relatively extensive and without pay; this is extremely difficult to have occurred in the teaching field and unbelievably rare given the strength of their Union.

According to the Resolution Agreement embedded in the article, he had 1 for the very same offense as this one, and for allowing his students to use the same "relaxed" language in his classroom in 2009.

Furthermore, there was a suspension following "boundary violations with a Grade 12 Student" in 2009. What exactly does this mean? It could mean anything!

No explanation can be found for what this violation is or was... Anyone have any tips on how to track this info down? As a parent, I find this very, very concerning.
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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby Merry » Sep 13th, 2017, 1:37 am

foodsmith wrote:https://www.castanet.net/news/Vernon/206432/bad-language-in-class

Two previous suspensions for this teacher, both relatively extensive and without pay; this is extremely difficult to have occurred in the teaching field and unbelievably rare given the strength of their Union.

According to the Resolution Agreement embedded in the article, he had 1 for the very same offense as this one, and for allowing his students to use the same "relaxed" language in his classroom in 2009.

Furthermore, there was a suspension following "boundary violations with a Grade 12 Student" in 2009. What exactly does this mean? It could mean anything!

No explanation can be found for what this violation is or was... Anyone have any tips on how to track this info down? As a parent, I find this very, very concerning.

While I don't know how you can get the info you seek, and in no way defend the teacher's use of inappropriate language, I can't help feeling there's a bit more to this story than meets the eye.

For example, if you spend any time listening to groups of high school kids these days you will hear lots of language that is far more shocking than that reported to have been said by this teacher. So, knowing that, I find it hard to believe that the students felt "intimidated" or shocked when they heard the teacher using the language he did, because they are used to hearing far worse language on a daily basis from their peers (not to mention the language they hear on TV, or at the movies, or in the songs they listen to).

Also, even though the teacher's reaction was definitely inappropriate, I have to wonder at the student behaviour that led him to appear visibly angry and raise his voice when addressing the class.

Teachers these days have very few "tools" at their disposal to help them deal with students who are disruptive in class, refuse to follow instructions, and frequently use bad language. Yet such students can make it difficult, if not impossible, for teachers to effectively do their job, and often make it just as difficult for the other students in the class to learn.

So, while this particular teacher's behaviour is clearly not the way to react when dealing with such students, it's not good enough for society to simply criticize without offering a more appropriate solution. Society needs to discuss how students who are disruptive in the classroom should be dealt with. For example, if the teacher asks a student to stop a certain behaviour, and the student ignores the teacher (or worse, tells the teacher to "bleep" off), what should the teacher do?

I've seen situations where the teacher ordered the student to leave the classroom, and was ignored. I've also seen situations where a phone call made to the parents has resulted in the comment "what the bleep do you expect ME to do about it? I can't control him/her at home either". And I've seen situations where the police have been called to deal with disruptive students, but is that really a good use of police time (and taxpayer money)? Shouldn't the police be out catching criminals, as opposed to being used to help discipline badly behaved students?

The point is that while we can all agree teachers shouldn't be using the kind of language this guy used, what do we think teachers ought to be doing to prevent unruly students from disrupting the classroom?
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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby Nedroj » Sep 13th, 2017, 7:22 am

Mr Morgan was a teacher at VSS when I was in highschool back 17 years ago and i can tell you he was one of the good ones. He was there because he loves to teach and not just for a paycheck. We all have had both of these types so you know what I mean. He treated students the same way he would treat any adult that showed respect or in cases where disrespect was shown he would respond in kind. Yes he used language that most old schoolers wouldn't but that's what made him related with the students more. He prepped students for the real life more than most teachers did. and I agree with the posters points on the behavior of teenagers these days probably being the route cause of his frustrations. I know teenagers 17 years ago were crude and disrespectful at times, making it very hard for the teacher to do his/her job and given the attitude of the current generation I cant imagine that disrespectful behavior has become any better. just my 2 cents

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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby Ken7 » Sep 17th, 2017, 3:51 pm

Merry wrote:Teachers these days have very few "tools" at their disposal to help them deal with students who are disruptive in class, refuse to follow instructions, and frequently use bad language. Yet such students can make it difficult, if not impossible, for teachers to effectively do their job, and often make it just as difficult for the other students in the class to learn.
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I'm with you on this. It would be interesting to see actual video of this classroom as he likely was pushed to the point where he lost it.

Sadly, in todays day and age, teacher and anyone with authority are troubled with no course of action for youth who wish to misbehave. Yet on the other hand parents also do not wish to enforce the rules, curb bad conduct or parent their poorly raised children. Not all are that way, but all you need is 1% of a class to be fools and it is disturbing and disruptive.

I will bet on it, the little angels who were creating the problem were not disciplined and I wonder if the class was interviewed individually to get to the root of the problem. No it is not right for the teacher to blow off but again I'd love to hear the rest of the story.

As a teacher, they have always been whipping poles with no power. When I was in school, a teacher could drag you to the principal. That was not the problem, only when you arrived home to your parents! You respected patents, teachers, elders and Law Enforcement when I was a youth.

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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby dontrump » Yesterday, 5:49 pm

Morgan was visibly angry when teaching Grade 8 students, and raised his voice when addressing the class. Morgan would tell students to "shut up" and "shut your mouth" if they were talking in class....Morgan swore and used inappropriate language in class, using words like "*bleep*", "*bleep*", "*bleep*" and "prick" and told students to "stop bitching." Some students reporting feeling uncomfortable, anxious, intimidated and scared.


students these days have become what we call the liberal snowflake society;; IF parents would teach their kids to be respectful
iam sure a teachers job would be a lot less stressful;;

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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby foodsmith » Today, 12:39 am

Did everyone miss that this was the third time he was disciplined? Does no one acknowledge a serious pattern of inability to conduxt himself professionally and to demonstrate the ability to abide by his own professional Standard and Ethics?

Did no one else take the time to research the BC Teachers Regulations database to see the particulars of his offenses that aren't reported here? They're a matter of public record and available to anyone...

I would encourage everyone to do so, rather than attempting to find fault in the victims here. There was obviously a cause or catalyst which led to this outburst, yes, but the affect was felt by the other potentially dozens of uninvolved young people -- adolescents aged 13 and 17, respectively -- who may have been innocent bystanders, just attending class, being subjected to this abuse. It is likely these are the very students who expressed such negative emotions as a result of this incident; this in no way whatsoever shows that they are "weak", "snowflakes", or anything but mature enough to stand up and say when something is truly wrong. Is that not what we teach our children as Parents?

As for past disciplinary action... Don't even get me started. Just search the database, read a little and think critically before passing judgement, and perhaps your tune might change. If not, at least you'll be making an informed decision that's not based on assumption.

To be honest, after what I've read I don't understand how this man remains in his position.

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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby Merry » Today, 1:08 am

foodsmith wrote:Did everyone miss that this was the third time he was disciplined? Does no one acknowledge a serious pattern of inability to conduxt himself professionally and to demonstrate the ability to abide by his own professional Standard and Ethics?

Did no one else take the time to research the BC Teachers Regulations database to see the particulars of his offenses that aren't reported here? They're a matter of public record and available to anyone...

I would encourage everyone to do so, rather than attempting to find fault in the victims here. There was obviously a cause or catalyst which led to this outburst, yes, but the affect was felt by the other potentially dozens of uninvolved young people -- adolescents aged 13 and 17, respectively -- who may have been innocent bystanders, just attending class, being subjected to this abuse. It is likely these are the very students who expressed such negative emotions as a result of this incident; this in no way whatsoever shows that they are "weak", "snowflakes", or anything but mature enough to stand up and say when something is truly wrong. Is that not what we teach our children as Parents?

As for past disciplinary action... Don't even get me started. Just search the database, read a little and think critically before passing judgement, and perhaps your tune might change. If not, at least you'll be making an informed decision that's not based on assumption.

To be honest, after what I've read I don't understand how this man remains in his position.

https://www.bcteacherregulation.ca/Cert ... cher.aspx#

My understanding is that this is the second time he's been disciplined (not the third), once in 2010 and this most recent disciplinary action which was for what happened back in 2016.

Without knowing all the details about what happened last November I'm not prepared to support destroying this guy's career because, even though his behaviour was inappropriate, we still don't know what the circumstances were that led up to it.

Teacher's these days have very little "tools" at their disposal to deal with problem students, so it's not surprising that sometimes their frustrations lead to inappropriate behaviour. After all, they're only human. That doesn't mean society should condone such inappropriate behaviour but, unless it can be shown that it was really detrimental to the student's well being in some way, then I don't think we should destroy the teacher's career because of it. Disciplinary action yes (and that's what happened), but totally removing him from the job? No.

Kids at High School age are not immune to being exposed to bad language; in fact I doubt it's possible these days to get through your high school years without hearing quite a lot of it. So, even though I don't approve of teachers using such language, I doubt very much that the kids who heard it were "damaged" in any way.
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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby foodsmith » Today, 1:25 am

1. Every article in the province, and nation-wide via CBC -- including the Content Resolution Agreement embedded in the original Castanet article -- cites THREE disciplinary actions.

2. Where exactly did I say any other student had been damaged by hearing "swearing"? The point is they declared feeling "intimidated", "scared", "uncomfortable", and described the learning environment as "negative" because of his actions. Does this equate to what we consider a professional adult? That is the question. Whether or not kids or adolescents hear swears as part of every day life is moot; whether they should ever hear it from a trusted person who they ought to see as a Mentor, a Leader, a Safe Person is a question -- even moreso applicable is the consideration of the swearing being ties to descriptively uncontrolled anger.

That's just unacceptable to me as a Parent when putting my children in the care of a trusted, educated, seasoned professional of 23 years.

Look, I have provided the tools to research the particulars of those individual incidents, and whether you or anyone chooses to or not is up to you or them... The database will only show two because anything occurring prior to July 01, 2007, is not available online -- but the details are outlined in the 2010 resolution.

Aside from that, no one is asking you to 'trash this guy's career'. Honestly, if he hasn't been able to do it on his own by downloading porn during class time or engaging in discussion of sexual activities with a Grade 12 girl via Facebook (it's public record; search it via the publicly accessed database provided above), then what makes you think you can?
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Re: Teacher Suspended After Students Report Feeling Intimida

Postby dontrump » 9 minutes ago

All BS :: Most all Students are all liberal snowflakes these days due to Liberal upbringings ;; this teacher may have over done things BUT iam sure the students did everything they could do to provoke the guy in the first place
every parents attitude these days is my Jenney/Johnny is a perfect loving child and therefore no blame shall be applied in his/her direction because I say so :130:
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