How do you like the one lane Main Street?

How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby southy » Jan 6th, 2015, 7:20 pm

So - it looks like Mother Nature heard us with all our talk about two lanes or three lanes for Main Street. Today it has been one lane. I found it very interesting. As a matter of fact I caught myself driving under 30k along with most other vehicles.
There were also no delivery trucks blocking the road. Perhaps Mother Nature is on to something.

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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby XT225 » Jan 6th, 2015, 7:58 pm

southy wrote:So - it looks like Mother Nature heard us with all our talk about two lanes or three lanes for Main Street. Today it has been one lane. I found it very interesting. As a matter of fact I caught myself driving under 30k along with most other vehicles.
There were also no delivery trucks blocking the road. Perhaps Mother Nature is on to something.


I am not looking forward to the Revite of Main Street. Too high a price for what we will get. Tear up the sidewalks and improve the infrastructure if needed but narrowing of the street is just ignorant planning. The ONLY benefit is that we MIGHT just get those delivery truck drivers to stop double parking. Other than that, there are no benefits. I avoided the area today due to the one lane and snow clearing.

ETA: this is an old thread but may wish to revite it. Good Editorial in the Western today; they nailed it:

http://www.pentictonwesternnews.com/opi ... 82961.html

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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby XT225 » Oct 7th, 2015, 11:47 am

More parking spaces lost. Oh, no problem, the public can park "around back" of City Hall. Another reason not to go downtown; sadly. Good Editorial in the Western Newspaper today. They nailed it bang on:

http://www.pentictonwesternnews.com/opi ... 82961.html
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby Anonymous123 » Oct 8th, 2015, 7:50 am

http://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton/149287/Revitalization-moving-ahead

Highlights include wider sidewalks, two lanes of traffic flow, a raised plaza linking Gyro and Veterans Park and the ability to close off the street by the park.

There will be a new side street just before Gyro Park linking Main Street to Martin Street.


Is there really a need for a side street in the middle of the 100 block? Will they use some of Gyro Park to create this? What about the trees that people paid for to memorialize departed loved ones?
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street

Postby rustled » Oct 8th, 2015, 8:56 am

The story itself says
There will be a new side street just before Gyro Park linking Main Street to Martin Street.
It seems entirely practical to move traffic around city hall, whether the Gyro area is closed for an event or not. Makes sense to run a lane (or two, if necessary) through the existing parking area so people with cars can get to Martin without using the busier Lakeshore area, or more easily access the lot itself. Most of us will be just fine using the back door to City Hall.
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby JagXKR » Oct 8th, 2015, 10:24 am

But wait...just looked on Google Streetview and there is some grass in that location. Oh (insert deity here) no. Not again. This will be the end of city council if they get rid of more grass. The natural beauty of green grass. So prevalent in this valley for eons. The place where grass was first discovered and cultivated for all to use. How are we supposed to celebrate the true nature of the Okanagan with the grass gone?

btw for those too thick,,,,,sarcasm.
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby JBX » Oct 8th, 2015, 10:24 am

Are we losing a lot of parking spaces? I have not really looked into this but wow it can be annoying to park downtown sometimes. I normally end up parking pretty far away for farmers market etc, but then again, I guess that's the price to pay for access.

As for grass I think we should ban it in the valley, its a useless waste of water. I have not watered my grass once this summer along with a lot of my neighbours, we are just letting it die why bother it doesn't belong in this climate anyways. Time to move to something else, who knows perhaps I'll just replace it all with sand and rocks and plant some cactus, could be funny if somebody ever trespasses in the night lol.
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby twobits » Oct 8th, 2015, 8:40 pm

JBX wrote:Are we losing a lot of parking spaces? I have not really looked into this but wow it can be annoying to park downtown sometimes. I normally end up parking pretty far away for farmers market etc, but then again, I guess that's the price to pay for access.

As for grass I think we should ban it in the valley, its a useless waste of water. I have not watered my grass once this summer along with a lot of my neighbours, we are just letting it die why bother it doesn't belong in this climate anyways. Time to move to something else, who knows perhaps I'll just replace it all with sand and rocks and plant some cactus, could be funny if somebody ever trespasses in the night lol.


While your post comes across as rather tongue in cheek, it is rather intuitive. We seem so obsessed with making our yards a "park" that no one can actually play in, and the cost of maintenance is significant. The corollary to that is we should embrace communal green space and parks as an effective and cost efficient per user way to provide that basic human desire to walk barefoot on lawn grass. All the more reason to preserve such public space.

If we could only figure out how to do it without goose poop squishing between the toes, we'd have a win win.
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby Dawnland » Oct 8th, 2015, 9:05 pm

JBX wrote:As for grass I think we should ban it in the valley, its a useless waste of water. I have not watered my grass once this summer along with a lot of my neighbours, we are just letting it die why bother it doesn't belong in this climate anyways. Time to move to something else, who knows perhaps I'll just replace it all with sand and rocks and plant some cactus, could be funny if somebody ever trespasses in the night lol.

There's a rule on my property, "If it doesn't provide food for us, it doesn't get watered". When this property was fenced off the owners used some really awesome natural grasses and the rest is garden that produces amazing food.
If you're interested in a home security system, you could make it really uncomfortable for any would-be robber to get close to your weak points with some strategically placed raspberry bushes that produce food and sting like a sob.

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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby XT225 » Oct 8th, 2015, 9:28 pm

JBX wrote:Are we losing a lot of parking spaces? I have not really looked into this but wow it can be annoying to park downtown sometimes. I normally end up parking pretty far away for farmers market etc, but then again, I guess that's the price to pay for access.


I believe we would lose around 45 parking spaces should this plan go ahead. A similar issue came up during the Lakeshore Drive project. The City wanted to nix the angle parking in favor of parallel parking and the public protested. During that time, they did listen and revised their plan (however that was mainly a different council). There's always hope that council will come to their senses but so far, their record isn't good. A quick angle park in front of city hall to pay a bill or make an enquiry will take much longer (if you can find a space) or go around back and hope that Staff haven't tied up all the spaces.

ETA: the only GOOD thing that I can see is that nobody is talking about making this another "Bollard and Chain" situation like the Fiasco over on Martin Street. Don't forget about pay parking on Main. Oh yes, it will be coming to a block near you. More reasons to shop at the Mall. Why is it that parking is presently free in the 200-600 blocks of Main yet metered in the 100? That will also mean the loss of revenue for those 45 parking spaces that are currently metered.

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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby JBX » Oct 9th, 2015, 8:51 am

Heh I was only a tiny bit joking, I'm actually seriously going to get rid of all my grass and desertscape? My yard.

I do agree that a lot of people still enjoy the green grass and there should certainly be areas for that, but the geese are a constant issue(one charged me for no reason so I booted it, didn't feel bad) with that, well I guess perhaps not I just hate them and their poop everywhere.

I don't think we should allow private lawns in the valley. Think of all the water we would save if everybody wasn't constantly *bleep* it away in a vain effort it have a pointless green lawn. It looks so out of place and just wrong anyways, at least to me.

I love the idea of everything on your property growing food, it's something I've been slowly looking into in my free time as to what is best to grow here that would require the minimum of "extra care"

45 parking spots will suck, that is for sure. As it is farmers markets pretty much fill everything up for parking but I kind of understand how they would want something that adds to beautification over parking I just wish there was a parking solution also.

Would be nice if they could tear up some unused areas and setup a nice three or four story parkade then cover it in plants/trees so it looks nice, but that's wishful, thinking.

I really like the lakeshore drive now but, I, I question their sanity if they wanted to do that to parking, are they crazY? That place is packed ever second of summer from ferry ship to the casino with cars.
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby rustled » Oct 9th, 2015, 9:02 am

We'd like to see a nice brick parkade with small shop frontage at street level, three levels of parking and ten a level or two of apartments up top. We thought the Three Gables area could work for that. Enter from Main, exit to Martin. Don't know if the footprint's big enough, though.

I like your idea of adding the plants on the exterior. Even if they're just balcony planters like the ones on the former Jose's Pepper Club.

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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby twobits » Oct 9th, 2015, 5:22 pm

XT225 wrote:

I believe we would lose around 45 parking spaces should this plan go ahead. A similar issue came up during the Lakeshore Drive project. A quick angle park in front of city hall to pay a bill or make an enquiry will take much longer (if you can find a space) or go around back and hope that Staff haven't tied up all the spaces.



It's Mayor Jak's grand plan XT. Get rid of all the parking spots downtown and people will have to ride bikes. People ride bikes and we have to build more bike lanes. The planets have aligned.

What befuddles me to some degree is the years of downtown merchants bytching about lack of parking being their biggest problem and yet every downtown revite seems to decrease the number of spots?
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Re: How do you like the one lane Main Street?

Postby twobits » Oct 9th, 2015, 5:41 pm

JBX wrote:
I love the idea of everything on your property growing food, it's something I've been slowly looking into in my free time as to what is best to grow here that would require the minimum of "extra care"



I love that concept as well. It is absolutely amazing what one can grow in a 10 by 20 ft patch. If there is any initiative to freezing, drying or canning, and staged planned plantings, at least a half years worth of veggie matter can be supplied here for a family of four.
The economic Achilles heel here however is factoring in the cost of an 8 ft fence to keep the deer out. So figure on a return on fence capital after year 5. Unless you are in some exceptional area, once the deer find your garden, and they will, they will decimate it.
A truly wild deer that might wander into a garden would never eat tomato plants, squash, pepper plants, cabbage etc. Our urban deer now search out these foods because they have become habituated to them.
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