Lakeside Resort and Casino

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Anonymous123 wrote:

Does the Government have any say on FN lands?


Apparently not until the FN's tell them how many zero's should be put on the cheque.

That should be good for a few leftist flames.
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Wow Twobits, takes a lot of class to make outdated unsubstantiated sweeping generalizations.
You must have received your info from the coffee counter at the 7-11.
How about contacting the City of Penticton, Greyback Construction and the Royal Bank to see how much money Penticton Indian Band has contributed to the local economy in the last 7 years. You bitched when nothing was going on out here, you're bitching now that there is. Your perspective is baseless and doesn't deserve a public forum.
That should be good for a few leftist flames.

So basically you only say this ridiculous drivel to get people to post on here?
Is that what this forum is for?
You're only here contribute in such a manner that engages posters to incite hate?
That's some old-school bullying that doesn't fly anymore.
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Dawnland wrote:So basically you only say this ridiculous drivel to get people to post on here?
Is that what this forum is for?
You're only here contribute in such a manner that engages posters to incite hate?
That's some old-school bullying that doesn't fly anymore.


Actually that is what the entire concept of internet forums was built on some 15-20 years ago.
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Dawnland wrote:So basically you only say this ridiculous drivel to get people to post on here?


If you wish to consider my comments as drivel, that is your prerogative. I receive no monetary benefits from poster numbers here and being anonymous, like all of us are here, I receive no community standing either. I am just speaking an opinion. If you do not like my opinion, you are free to ignore them or post why you think they are drivel.
I am sorry you view my opinions as unworthy but I am not about to stop offering my opinion that is shared by many that are just simply tired of the Native card being played on the table again and again. I am tired of this card game and think of of the hundreds of millions or even billions spent on FN issues, that your peoples would have, and should have been, much further ahead with. I would strongly suggest you look inwards as to why this has not happened rather than my legitimate concerns of "why not" are dismissed as drivel.

I can only assume you took exception to this on the topic of Casino location....

To me, with tax exemptions and last minute rezoning on the definition of indoor amusement, it was actually panic and fear that this investment would have gone to the lands of "the spirit of cooperation".
Effective and honest leadership would not have ended up in this contradiction and competition. One hand could have helped the other if their was some understanding beforehand as to what actual goals and plans were. Instead of divide and prosper, we have divide and compete.


What is untrue about that observation? And what is also ultimately true is there will never be any meaningful cooperation between the City of Penticton and the PIB until it is one gov't dealing with another gov't. This side of the Channel has one gov't and set of rules we all abide by. Your side of the Channel quite obviously does not. That was clearly evidenced by the Boonstock fiasco where PIB Council originally did not support this festival and admitted it had no control over what the Locatee landowner chose to do. They eventually gave support but the reality was that under your governance model, PIB Council could not have stopped him even without support.
You want Nation to Nation, or Gov't to Gov't agreements? Then at least come to the table at even the lowly Civic level, PIB and City of Penticton, and guarantee that all people represented by those governing bodies will be bound by the agreement being made.
I would humbly suggest that you have more than a few members of legacy PIB families that are stuck on a mission of non co operation whatever the cost and nothing will change until more progressives, even yourself, convince them that co operation is in the best interest. The few owners of wild horses reining in their rights and expectations of range lands might also be a show of good faith. I realize fully that there are cultural differences but for lords sake, the conditions that existed in the past are no longer valid and it is a totally stupid conflict that is being perpetuated by how many? 3 or 4 or 5 PIB members?
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http://penticton.myezrock.com/News/OKSo ... relocation

So someone please tell me what I'm missing here. 10% to the PIB for....? Their co-operation over the past decades? Payola for a promise not to blockade any roads? What?
The city has hooked up the Skaha Hills into our sewer or water or whatever. The Channel Crossing is hooked up as well. So ...we give them access to our taxpayer funded utilities and then we give them another 10% of revenues for something on city land and in return we get? Sorry but I'm confused on what we are getting for this 10%.
I must be missing something.
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JagXKR wrote:http://penticton.myezrock.com/News/OKSouth/2016/01/05/city-of-penticton-approves-casino-relocation

So someone please tell me what I'm missing here. 10% to the PIB for....? Their co-operation over the past decades? Payola for a promise not to blockade any roads? What?
The city has hooked up the Skaha Hills into our sewer or water or whatever. The Channel Crossing is hooked up as well. So ...we give them access to our taxpayer funded utilities and then we give them another 10% of revenues for something on city land and in return we get? Sorry but I'm confused on what we are getting for this 10%.
I must be missing something.


Probably a 10%, we'll shut up and you can have the casino on white land instead of us having it on native land where we have to do some work. It's a simple equation. Effort=money as opposed to 10% of city money=free money with no effort.
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JagXKR wrote:http://penticton.myezrock.com/News/OKSouth/2016/01/05/city-of-penticton-approves-casino-relocation

So someone please tell me what I'm missing here. 10% to the PIB for....? Their co-operation over the past decades? Payola for a promise not to blockade any roads? What?
The city has hooked up the Skaha Hills into our sewer or water or whatever. The Channel Crossing is hooked up as well. So ...we give them access to our taxpayer funded utilities and then we give them another 10% of revenues for something on city land and in return we get? Sorry but I'm confused on what we are getting for this 10%.
I must be missing something.


Off topic but to set the record straight, Skaha Hills is on well water, not City. They are however tied into the city sewer system; power and gas are Fortis.
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This thread started with a possibly "leaked" document saying that the Casino operators were looking at several options relating to whether or not to renew their lease in the present building or make other arrangements ?? One of the options they were exploring was to enter into an agreement with the PIB in lieu of renewing the rental agreement they have at present.

That is standard business for a well run company, which the Casino seems to be.

How did that evolve into a debate over the loyalties involved in building on the PIB land and paying rent to them or renewing another long term lease with the people who own the building they are presently renting ??

What am I missing ??
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I had a though when I heard that the City was contemplating getting out of the convention business and moving City Hall et al into the convention center, why not put the casino in the convention center?? Building is already in place would just need some renos and would not have to change the parking!!
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smoky500 wrote:I had a though when I heard that the City was contemplating getting out of the convention business and moving City Hall et al into the convention center, why not put the casino in the convention center?? Building is already in place would just need some renos and would not have to change the parking!!


This could be an excellent win-win for all parties concerned. According to a letter in the Herald yesterday by Jake Kimberly, past mayor, the city subsidizes the Convention Centre to a tune of 1 million per year. If this is indeed true then leasing it out to the Casino could save 1 million per year to taxpayers? Sounds good to me. No further parking problems either. Let the Casino do the renos; that would still be a lot cheaper than building an entire new building for their casino.

I have a bit of a problem with the city competing with the Lakeside Resort for the convention business. We should be encouraging private business; not competing with it, especially if we are losing money doing it. The Lakeside Resort is only going to take more of that convention business away in the future, with their planned expansion.
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Unread postby smoky500 » Today, 10:44 am

I had a though when I heard that the City was contemplating getting out of the convention business and moving City Hall et al into the convention center, why not put the casino in the convention center?? Building is already in place would just need some renos and would not have to change the parking!!


An original thought. It would be interesting what the Casino operators thought of the idea.
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Donald G wrote:
An original thought. It would be interesting what the Casino operators thought of the idea.


It would be nice if our city council could come up with good ideas like that instead of the public trying to help them along and figure things out. Not a particularly useful bunch this term.
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Will the casino keep its name? It will false advertising if they do! Just a thought
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Donald G wrote:
An original thought. It would be interesting what the Casino operators thought of the idea.


Nothing to think about there Donald. As with the hotel, they were leasing space, so wanted the hotel owner to do the upgrading/expanding, not them. Sorta like you renting a house from someone, and building an addition onto the house, even though, it's not your house.
Gateway has also expressed in the past how hard done by they are in asking for lease reductions from the hotel. This, as being a landlord to them seems odd, and a little scarey. A multi million dollar entity looking for reduced rent, (lease), due to financial hardship?? How the Hell does that work??
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I guess not so original, I see by Jake Kimberly's letter to the editor he had the same thought!
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