Vigil for Louie

Vigil for Louie

Postby jamapple » Jan 3rd, 2016, 11:37 am

http://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton/ ... anne-Louie


Just still can't get my head around a small group of people saying things like they demand the government to look into murdered and missing aboriginal women, and word it like all other missing and murdered women don't even matter to them.

I always try not to be cold, (or racist as they like to come back with as an argument). What ever happened to it being unacceptable for any and all women to be missing or murdered, and not just certain cultures?

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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby whatwhat » Jan 3rd, 2016, 11:48 am

Just because they are fighting for the awareness of missing and murdered aboriginal women, does not mean that missing and murdered women of other races don't matter. Saying that aboriginal lives matter does not mean that others don't.

Obviously the aboriginal community feels that missing and murdered cases of aboriginal women are not being dealt with appropriately. Just because they are fighting for these specific women, they aren't saying that police shouldn't continue dealing with murders of other races.
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby Captain Awesome » Jan 3rd, 2016, 12:05 pm

jamapple wrote:Just still can't get my head around a small group of people saying things like they demand the government to look into murdered and missing aboriginal women, and word it like all other missing and murdered women don't even matter to them.


When a young woman is killed, her family will also demand the govt/police/anybody to look into the murder and solve it as soon as possible. It doesn't mean that other murders don't matter to them. But they're focused on their daughter/mother/sister/etc.

Think of native people as one big family.
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby Leifer » Jan 3rd, 2016, 12:24 pm

We already know who are abusing and murdering aboriginal women.....85% it turned out to be aboriginal men (RCMP stats).
It's a sad statistic that speaks to genererations of broken homes and a failed system.
All the government money and programs in the world won't fix things....just a pit that will continue to suck money and resources down the drain while the native population continues to eradicate itself.
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby maryjane48 » Jan 3rd, 2016, 1:19 pm

Leifer wrote:We already know who are abusing and murdering aboriginal women.....85% it turned out to be aboriginal men (RCMP stats).
It's a sad statistic that speaks to genererations of broken homes and a failed system.
All the government money and programs in the world won't fix things....just a pit that will continue to suck money and resources down the drain while the native population continues to eradicate itself.

but since we know the rcmp commish publicly stated there is racists in the rcmp and he wants them rooted out , how can anyone be sure of the stats they put out ?

we know from the farce that was the picton investigation that the rcmp had a dislike of certain folks and refused to investigate properly . 50 women had been murdered before they had decided to do anything about it . infact we may never know how many women picton killed and most of them were fn women killed by white guy

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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby the truth » Jan 3rd, 2016, 2:26 pm

Leifer wrote:We already know who are abusing and murdering aboriginal women.....85% it turned out to be aboriginal men (RCMP stats).
It's a sad statistic that speaks to genererations of broken homes and a failed system.
All the government money and programs in the world won't fix things....just a pit that will continue to suck money and resources down the drain while the native population continues to eradicate itself.


85% is aboriginal on aboriginal crime, no need for another bs study -only god knows why they all hate each other so much
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby whatwhat » Jan 3rd, 2016, 3:03 pm

the truth wrote:85% is aboriginal on aboriginal crime, no need for another bs study -only god knows why they all hate each other so much


So the government is not supposed to do anything about the crime? Just continue making arrests but doing nothing to find a solution?
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby fluffy » Jan 3rd, 2016, 5:12 pm

Kind of a catch-22 situation then, isn't it ? If stats point to the thought that it is an aboriginal-on-aboriginal problem and RCMP have limited authority on aboriginal land, who ya gonna call?
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby the truth » Jan 3rd, 2016, 6:43 pm

whatwhat--what would you like the rcmp to do, not there fault they are killing each other is it ??? they hate the rcmp they hate the govt they hate the white man, so what the hell do they want .let them there bands and there chiefs figure it out, ??? what else is left
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby Rosemary1 » Jan 3rd, 2016, 11:53 pm

A loss of life is crushing. All the more so when it involves violence. This case involved non-aboriginal family members and that family must also be devastated.

Somehow, it doesn't seem quite right to politicize a memorial event by bringing anti-RCMP, anti-legal system and racial sentiments into it. (Every case is different, but did we see any politicization when someone who I believe was a member of the young woman's family killed his brother, and another mutilated his girlfriend?). Maybe memorials are best to just focus on the lost loved one, and the broader issues addressed through other venues. Just a thought. Some will disagree and that's ok.
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby fluffy » Jan 4th, 2016, 9:00 am

Rosemary1 wrote:Maybe memorials are best to just focus on the lost loved one, and the broader issues addressed through other venues.


Exactly. A solemn event such as a memorial might be best not paraded down Main Street, and it doesn't take a crystal ball to figure out what's going to happen when you put a microphone in front of Stewart Phillip.
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby Tony » Jan 4th, 2016, 10:11 am

http://www.pentictonherald.ca/news/arti ... 14df7.html

Looks like it's going to court on the 6th. That does seem like a long time, but I doubt if race played into that. It's just a matter of having all the facts so they can secure a guilty verdict. I guess if you're in a hurry you can take your chance on the jury returning a not guilty verdict or a hung jury. If I was the family I'd be pleased to see the right steps have been taken.

I totally agree that vigils for lost loved ones should not be turned into a witch hunt, but then as was mentioned, Stewart Phillips got involved, and we all know what he's all about. Poor Chief Kruger is still digging out of that mess.

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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby twobits » Jan 4th, 2016, 5:46 pm

Tony wrote: http://www.pentictonherald.ca/news/arti ... 14df7.html

Looks like it's going to court on the 6th. That does seem like a long time, but I doubt if race played into that. It's just a matter of having all the facts so they can secure a guilty verdict. I guess if you're in a hurry you can take your chance on the jury returning a not guilty verdict or a hung jury.


It's not a trial yet. The two weeks set aside in Feb are for a preliminary inquiry to determine if there is enough evidence to go to trial. I have my own suspicions of why the Crown has been so slow in moving this forward. I think that given the evidence I think will come out at trial, the Crown is concerned it will make a conviction of second degree murder very difficult. I know the woman charged, from a distance and not closely, but close enough to know that there is a well documented trail of conflict between Louie and her charged grandmother in law. Gma had been the primary care giver for the young son very often in the previous few years with zero notice. I will not slander Ms Louie but my thoughts are that much will come out at trial that is making the Crown uncomfortable.
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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby Donald G » Jan 4th, 2016, 5:57 pm

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the truth wrote:
85% is aboriginal on aboriginal crime, no need for another bs study -only god knows why they all hate each other so much


So the government is not supposed to do anything about the crime? Just continue making arrests but doing nothing to find a solution?


The police are making the arrests and, in doing so, identifying the problem regarding native women being murdered or going missing.

Since the reason identified lies primarily with the native people and is NOT a policing problem, what are the native people doing about the problem ?? It is THEIR problem. The police can only help when they get support from the Native people.

The vigil for Louie is not a time to stand around yelling and pointing fingers. It is a time for reflection on the Louie family and the community in which she and they lived.

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Re: Vigil for Louie

Postby the truth » Jan 4th, 2016, 7:21 pm

exactly
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