Pay parking at beach in Penticton

[twobits]

Council has abandoned the idea of pay to park along Lakeshore and Skaha, it is a non issue now.

And If that is the case, I am OK with that too. I can just see both sides here. I suppose what I objected to mostly was the "sky is going to fall" for tourism business rhetoric when it was quite clearly an unsupported assumption.

[XT225]

Council has abandoned the idea of pay to park along Lakeshore and Skaha, it is a non issue now.

Where did you hear this, Fall? I believe it may have been given back to staff for "further study" (common excuse for putting off making a decision on something) but don't recall any decisions as yet. This would be a big feather in the cap for city council, if true...but they will need a whole "head dress" full of them if any of them plan on getting re-elected next year.

Got a link?

[fall]

http://www.pentictonherald.ca/news/arti ... e75bd.html

[XT225]

http://www.pentictonherald.ca/news/article_7f12c1a8-7551-11e6-a8aa-8fed497e75bd.html

Good find, fall...thankyou. I was away when that article came out last year so did not see it. Sounds somewhat more reasonable, though I would not be happy if I were the owner of Loco Landing or Coyote Cruises. I can see those parking lots being mostly empty this year and folks just using Lakeshore instead or side streets. For the amount of cash that those parking lots will generate in revenue, especially since most of it will go to Impark, why bother? Make the entire area a 2 or 3 hr limit, no meters, nothing to go wrong, no expenditures on costly kiosks, etc. Would also eliminate any downtown workers from parking on Lakeshore all day. Note the words in bold, below. I cannot see them doing anything in 2018, either, as its a City Election year.

But planning manager Blake Laven told council Tuesday the RFP process generated more questions than answers along with blowback from the public.
“What we have discovered is there’s a lot we don’t know about our own parking business,” said Laven.
As a result, he persuaded council to abandon plans to put up pay stations along Lakeshore Drive and near Skaha Lake Park this year, and instead next year begin billing drivers only in lots near LocoLanding and Coyote Cruises. That will give staff the revenue data it needs to properly negotiate with the private sector.

[fall]

It is ridiculous, just like you mentioned people will park on Lakeshore and the side streets rather than pay and park at Loco landing or Coyote cruises.
Is this the cities way of making up funds that they pledged to help PIB with garbage removal and other general maintenance of the channel after PIB threatened to charge everyone a fee who floats the channel?
So now anyone wanting to take their kids and teens with cars will have to pay to park in front of the skate park.
I hope they start using local business parking lots and walkways as skate parks more now.

[XT225]

It is ridiculous, just like you mentioned people will park on Lakeshore and the side streets rather than pay and park at Loco landing or Coyote cruises.
Is this the cities way of making up funds that they pledged to help PIB with garbage removal and other general maintenance of the channel after PIB threatened to charge everyone a fee who floats the channel?
So now anyone wanting to take their kids and teens with cars will have to pay to park in front of the skate park.
I hope they start using local business parking lots and walkways as skate parks more now.

I am glad that they are NOT metering Lakeshore this year at least, but if they had any sense at all, they would also forget about those two parking lots. Those two businesses should be fuming over this as they will be the ones to get all the complaints and businesses on lakeshore will lose customers because the parking spots across the street on the beach will be jammed with people going to Loco Landing (its a busy place in Summer).

[twobits]

With regards to Coyote Cruises, which I believe is on First Nations land and is owned/run by the natives, I wonder if they might have something to say if pay parking starts cutting into their business? After all, the proceeds from parking won't likely be split with them.

For lordies sake, this has been discussed in at least 6 different threads here. Respectfully you and southy should remember that the Coyote Cruise land is city land, not PIB land. The owners of the business might be the PIB, but the land their facilities sit on are leased from the City of Penticton. Kirk Cartwright was the original lessor of the land and the PIB subsequently got that lease with the purchase of CC.

[XT225]

For lordies sake, this has been discussed in at least 6 different threads here. Respectfully you and southy should remember that the Coyote Cruise land is city land, not PIB land. The owners of the business might be the PIB, but the land their facilities sit on are leased from the City of Penticton. Kirk Cartwright was the original lessor of the land and the PIB subsequently got that lease with the purchase of CC.

You MIGHT be correct, twobits, though after looking carefully at the city map online, it would appear that the building itself is on city land but not a few feet Westward and down to the river channel. The Natives may lease the building but I don't believe the entire area; the lower area appears to be either RDOS or Native lands. Regardless, water under the bridge; they stand to lose business, should the city start charging for parking anywhere in that area. Bottom line.

[fluffy]

Isn't there something basically amiss with the idea that businesses are entitled to have their customers park for free on city owned land?

[XT225]

Isn't there something basically amiss with the idea that businesses are entitled to have their customers park for free on city owned land?

Nope; then that would include all the businesses on Main Street, period. Businesses on Martin, Winnipeg and Ellis should be lobbying the city to remove metering, and go to two hour parking (to ensure that staff don't abuse things). Most people can see what is going to happen here this year. Folks using Loco Landing will park on Lakeshore to avoid paying in the pay lot, thus reducing free parking for patrons of the restaurants on Lakeshore.

[Thinktank]

Isn't there something basically amiss with the idea that businesses are entitled to have their customers park for free on city owned land?

It's simple.

If you're that poor that parking in New York is $20.00, get the hell out.

If you're that poor that $6.00 parking in Stanley Park is too expensive, get the hell out. Go to Chilliwack Value Village, and park all day for free.

Pay parking is an efficient way to clear the area of riffraff, so rich people can park whenever they want.
That's what Okanagan Lake parking is all about. We're telling poor people to get the hell out. Go swim at Naramata, or
OK Falls, or just go to the new Casino to park, because Okanagan Lake is reserved for the rich.

And Penticton will continue lose $millions on other things, like events centers and stuff. And our government can
subsidize corporations to the tune of $billions . We'll even help out in Afghanistan, with $billions of dollars, to make the rich richer.

It's kind of funny.


No parking for you, poor people.





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[fluffy]

A cursory scan through the CIty of Penticton Zoning Bylaws reveals an entire section on parking regulations (Section 7) with lots of stuff on required number of parking stalls per business. There is also a "cash in lieu" bylaw for businesses that intend to use on-street parking rather than supplying their own, something to the tune of $6K for each required parking space. Whether this cost is applied to development permits only or is applicable to existing businesses is not clear, but it does give some credibility to the thought that those who depend on city p[property to meet their parking requirements should be ready to pony up help cover costs. I wonder if downtown businesses make any ongoing contribution to parking costs through business licensing?

[XT225]

A cursory scan through the CIty of Penticton Zoning Bylaws reveals an entire section on parking regulations (Section 7) with lots of stuff on required number of parking stalls per business. There is also a "cash in lieu" bylaw for businesses that intend to use on-street parking rather than supplying their own, something to the tune of $6K for each required parking space. Whether this cost is applied to development permits only or is applicable to existing businesses is not clear, but it does give some credibility to the thought that those who depend on city p[property to meet their parking requirements should be ready to pony up help cover costs. I wonder if downtown businesses make any ongoing contribution to parking costs through business licensing?

I believe that twobits posted something a long time ago about this and that businesses on Main Street might indeed be paying the city to keep the meters OFF of Main Street. If so, good for those business owners; more need to do it on the other streets as well. If businesses want to attract customers to the downtown, they have to do something to help the situation. Making the customer pay, after having it free for them, for so long will do quite the opposite. Same goes for Lakeshore Drive.

[fluffy]

So it's more a matter of who should pay the bill, not so much whether or not there should be a bill at all.

I see an advertising opportunity here. Put the meter in and then bag them off with a "Free Parking Supplied by (Business Name)" sign at a cost meant to offset the forgone user fees.

[XT225]

So it's more a matter of who should pay the bill, not so much whether or not there should be a bill at all.

I see an advertising opportunity here. Put the meter in and then bag them off with a "Free Parking Supplied by (Business Name)" sign at a cost meant to offset the forgone user fees.

Would be interesting to know if the businesses on Lakeshore subsidize parking on the street or not.

I would not want to see metering of any type go in on Main Street; initial costs to buy/install; upkeep, vandalism, etc. If the businesses on Main Street DO in fact (jury is still out on that one) subsidize the free parking, Kudos to them. No need to install and bag any meters; waste of money.