Penticton losing population

Re: Penticton losing population

Postby Static » Jan 23rd, 2016, 9:24 am

It wouldn't surprise me if the population was shrinking. The place sucks.
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Re: Penticton losing population

Postby nepal » Jan 23rd, 2016, 9:26 am

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Yes, house prices would definitely go up, as they did at Whistler when growth was capped there. With a cap on growth, in such a great location, city planners can demand and get much higher quality developments, as at Whistler. Some people underestimate the quality potential for Penticton. Where else do you get a city with two amazing lakes, mountains and an incredible climate in Canada... Maybe it could be the Monaco, or Lake Como(Italy), of BC. As for affordable housing, that has long gone and moved on to other locations. Aim toward European quality, rather than American quantity. :D
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Re: Penticton losing population

Postby fluffy » Jan 23rd, 2016, 9:56 am

I was down at the coast before Christmas and did a little seasonal shopping in Fort Langley, a trendy sort of collection of galleries, gift shops and restaurants, and higher end housing. I think this could be the sort of model that would work for downtown, in fact it could be the only model that will revive downtown as the day-to-day retail trade continues to move towards the malls and big box stores.

Still, you need people to work in these places, and most of them can't afford the $1000/month+ rents that are commonplace already. To turn the whole town into high end housing could effectively double those rents and make it impossible for a working class to survive.
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Re: Penticton losing population

Postby nepal » Jan 23rd, 2016, 10:49 am

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Penticton could pick a quality development theme direction and require it for new deveopment. Due the lack of new land to carve-up, focus needs to be on redevelopment and improving upon the existing city footprint, with the lakes, mountains and vineyards as the existing mosaic. There is room for densification, which is more effcient to service and produces more city revenue per area. With higher density, there could be a spectrum of expensive and less-expensive places to live, but it could all look aestheticly pleasing and express quality. There are already some aestheticly pleasing higher density developments in Penticton. Penticton is somewhat unique, in that it has a small enough footprint, that could also be more orientated to walking and public transit, rather than cars. :D
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Re: Penticton losing population

Postby fluffy » Jan 23rd, 2016, 12:51 pm

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Penticton could pick a quality development theme direction and require it for new deveopment. Due the lack of new land to carve-up, focus needs to be on redevelopment and improving upon the existing city footprint, with the lakes, mountains and vineyards as the existing mosaic. There is room for densification, which is more effcient to service and produces more city revenue per area. With higher density, there could be a spectrum of expensive and less-expensive places to live, but it could all look aestheticly pleasing and express quality. There are already some aestheticly pleasing higher density developments in Penticton. Penticton is somewhat unique, in that it has a small enough footprint, that could also be more orientated to walking and public transit, rather than cars. :D


Agreed, and much of that is underway already with a reasonably extensive network of walking/cycling paths. The various economic demographics could be addressed through inclusionary housing requirements, putting the onus on developers to supply housing to a variety of income levels in any given development. There are some low income housing developments in the city, but these are always full with years on the waiting list. The construction of these developments has traditionally been handled by service clubs like Kiwanis and Knights of Columbus and such, but the capital cost has put it beyond their reach without substantial government assistance, and that money is hard to come by these days.

I think the boutiquey, destination approach to downtown is what current council envisions, as well as services and facilities that appeal to a variety of visitors, but it seems that public oppositions mounts against their every suggestion to the point where nothing happens at all. I hate to generalize, but as a retirement destination the quiet, small town feeling of Penticton has great appeal to retirees, and one can't fault them for trying to preserve that feeling. There is also the fact that that particular demographic makes a huge contribution to the local economy by their sheer strength of their numbers, and we can't ignore that. But to give them a disproportionately large say in the future of the city has the effect of excluding the younger, less affluent members of our community who are forced to focus on things like jobs, housing, and services that focus on the young.
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Re: Penticton losing population

Postby twobits » Jan 23rd, 2016, 6:34 pm

nepal wrote:.
Penticton could pick a quality development theme direction and require it for new deveopment. Due the lack of new land to carve-up, focus needs to be on redevelopment and improving upon the existing city footprint, with the lakes, mountains and vineyards as the existing mosaic. There is room for densification, which is more effcient to service and produces more city revenue per area. With higher density, there could be a spectrum of expensive and less-expensive places to live, but it could all look aestheticly pleasing and express quality. There are already some aestheticly pleasing higher density developments in Penticton. Penticton is somewhat unique, in that it has a small enough footprint, that could also be more orientated to walking and public transit, rather than cars. :D


It is both ridiculous and a pipe dream to compare Penticton to some little European enclave on the Mediterranean with a favorable climate for 10 months of the year and a cultural history and style and buildings dating in centuries. Little old Summerland can't even get on the same page for a Tudor theme for lord's sake.
These examples you think Penticton should aspire to are a consequence of history, religion, conquest of cultures, and even available local building materials to name a few.
They are not and cannot be successfully mandated on people.
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Re: Penticton losing population

Postby twobits » Jan 23rd, 2016, 6:36 pm

Static wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if the population was shrinking. The place sucks.


It sure does suck. For stock brokers where half the population is risk averse and in GIC's and CSB's and the other half are just trying to keep up with the mortgage or rent :)
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