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http://globalnews.ca/news/2921456/secti ... ed-to-pib/

“ Five parcels of the former Kettle Valley Railway (KVR) line in Penticton are being transferred to the Penticton Indian Band (PIB) in a partnership between the PIB, the federal government and Canadian Pacific …”

Not to argue pros or cons of this latest transfer. But why exactly are such one way deals called partnerships? Most definitions of a partnership describe agreements that involve some sharing of responsibilities, liabilities, losses, benefits and/or skill and resources between the parties in the partnerships. ( The Penticton Casino deal was also called a ‘partnership’ …)

Time to stop the euphemisms?
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I know that 'some' people have an issue believing that First Nations communities meaningfully contribute to these partnerships, but it doesn't have to be spelled out in great detail for it to be true.
This is a partnership, get over it.
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Dawnland wrote:I know that 'some' people have an issue believing that First Nations communities meaningfully contribute to these partnerships, but it doesn't have to be spelled out in great detail for it to be true.
This is a partnership, get over it.

just today i had to have a talk with a fellow worker who had another worker subtly get a racial dig in just like the op of this thread .
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maryjane48 wrote: just today i had to have a talk with a fellow worker who had another worker subtly get a racial dig in just like the op of this thread .


Little over the top here don't you think? I see no "Racial Dig" in the OPs post. Frustration at the way things are handled and publicized sure, but no racism or insults.
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TylerM4 wrote: I see no "Racial Dig" in the OPs post

That's why systemic racism is so prevalent, because 'regular' people "don't see it". So, just because YOU don't see it, it must not really be there, right?
Tyler, the OP's post implies that partnerships with PIB are not actually reciprocal and that PIB is getting a 'hand-out'. All the detail aren't in the news article and so the OP figures that there isn't an equal trade.
All these parties had to show up at the table and negotiate for the best interest of their constituents, no matter what side of the river you're on.
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Is there some history to these lands that isn't being mentioned ? It was not uncommon for past governments to appropriate reservation land when it suited them, like the airport lands. Was the railroad right of way once reservation land ?
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fluffy wrote:Is there some history to these lands that isn't being mentioned ? It was not uncommon for past governments to appropriate reservation land when it suited them, like the airport lands. Was the railroad right of way once reservation land ?

Yes Fluffy. The railroad lands were supposed to be returned to the Penticton Indian Band once the land ceased to be used for the purpose it was expropriated for. THAT WAS THE DEAL. I believe the tracks were removed in the late 70's / 80's and SOME remediation work was done to remove contaminated soils. At that point, the land was supposed to be transferred back. The remediation work was never completed and the land was never returned.
The Penticton Indian Band, CPRail, and Transport Canada have worked for the last two years to make it happen. I would also like to add that the land was supposed to be transferred back to the reserve, but 'the-powers-that-be' will only transfer it back in fee simple (The reserve cannot own land, so the land is now owned by our Ec Dev Corp (In Trust for the membership), not returned to reserve lands. AANDC would not come to the table to return those lands to reserve status in an acceptable timeline (8-10 years on top of the 30 that it's already been, does that sound acceptable?).
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Well that makes it pretty simple in my mind. If the land was taken for a purpose that it's no longer being used for then give it back. I don't really see any room for discussion here.
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Dawnland wrote:That's why systemic racism is so prevalent, because 'regular' people "don't see it". So, just because YOU don't see it, it must not really be there, right?
Tyler, the OP's post implies that partnerships with PIB are not actually reciprocal and that PIB is getting a 'hand-out'. All the detail aren't in the news article and so the OP figures that there isn't an equal trade.
All these parties had to show up at the table and negotiate for the best interest of their constituents, no matter what side of the river you're on.


I get that. I still don't see the problem here. She's not happy with the relationship with PIB. She feels they are getting a "Hand out". While her feelings *might* be driven by racism, that's still no evidence of any racism in her post. It's just as likely her feeling could be a result of lack of knowledge on the subject/history. Just because someone isn't happy with a relationship/deal with PIB doesn't make someone a racist.

To me this is classic "throwing down the race card" and the equivalent of saying "You just think that way because you are a racist".
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if you are going to practice genocide, get it right the first time.
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Unread postby TylerM4 » Today, 7:50 am

I still don't see the problem here. She's not happy with the relationship with PIB. She feels they are getting a "Hand out". While her feelings *might* be driven by racism, that's still no evidence of any racism in her post. It's just as likely her feeling could be a result of lack of knowledge on the subject/history. Just because someone isn't happy with a relationship/deal with PIB doesn't make someone a racist.


I agree with those who maintain that to merely disagree with a certain proposed agreement involving Native people is *NOT* in itself racist in that there is no intent to harm Native people or put Native people at a disadvantage BECAUSE they are Native. The word "partnership" is used by politicians to give the impression that the agreement is mutually advantageous to both parties. One party paying and the other receiving is not, IMO, a partnership although it may well be an agreement.
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