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Re: Its official city has no war on the homeless!

Postby southy » Feb 2nd, 2018, 11:02 pm

Something wrong with social justice?
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Re: Its official city has no war on the homeless!

Postby twobits » Feb 3rd, 2018, 7:31 pm

southy wrote:Something wrong with social justice?


Nothing wrong with social justice southy. What is wrong is people like Varga making it a media circus event. All one need's to ask is could Varga have represented him pro bono without the self serving media play? Could he not have said to Paul...."I will defend your bylaw tickets in court". Why did he have to do a sit in and inflame the situation in the media if it were not for self interest?
Varga is pretty much an ambulance chaser southy.
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City Blasts Panhandler

Postby fz6adventure » May 4th, 2018, 6:15 am

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... panhandler

Seriously? How does one derive that a fellow sitting on a sidewalk means that there is a grave risk to safety that would justify sending a person to jail for sitting on a sidewalk?

A little heavy handed by the City!
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Re: City Blasts Panhandler

Postby vegas1500 » May 4th, 2018, 6:45 am

I agree its not a grave risk but sure wouldnt want him out front or near my business for 4 days, let alone 4 years.
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Re: City Blasts Panhandler

Postby Jflem1983 » May 4th, 2018, 6:45 am

Honestly. 88 bucks. He should pay it and shut up. Dont break the law if you dont want a fine. From what i gather. This guy had a job . A union job i believe. Then decided he was too good to work. So in the doorway of some one elses business he begs. Well i dont think it is unreasonable to ask him to move along ? If the situation were different. Maybe my opinion would change. As i understand this though the City of Penticton has bent over forwards backwards and to both sides for this guy. He on the other hand hasnt budged an inch.

Im curious to know if there isnt maybe some health issues at play ?

Also. To the safety aspect. Its negligable at best. I do see a sliver of an argument that hes blocking a fire escape . Other than that ya right.
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Re: City Blasts Panhandler

Postby Fancy » May 4th, 2018, 6:45 am

Fancy this, Fancy that and by the way, T*t for Tat
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Re: City Blasts Panhandler

Postby rustled » May 4th, 2018, 8:57 am

I agree with this:
“If the city cannot establish control of its downtown sidewalks around a simple 10 metre breezeway, we will not be successful in addressing other more serious issues,” city lawyer Troy De Souza said in a statement.

How many people ignoring bylaws does it take before we have a significant problem?

Does Varga expect the city to wait until there are, say, four panhandlers to a block, or until the city staff is dealing with, say, ten complaints per day, before they act? Would he then be claiming there was "precedent" to allow panhandling wherever and whenever, since the city had failed to enforce their own bylaws, and defend the panhandlers' rights to break the bylaw on that basis?

I'm not surprised he is "gobsmacked" the city released this information. It certainly does his client no good for the general public to understand just how far the city went to keep this out of court, while his client persisted in breaking the bylaw.

IMO, Varga does himself, and the rest of us, quite a disservice here.

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Re: Pre-written by law tickets/Paul Varga

Postby common_sense_guy » May 5th, 2018, 12:52 pm

A lawyer is supposed to look out for his client's best interest. If the lawyer actually is he will inform his client to pay the $88 fine to be done with it. If he doesn't he is just a media *bleep* looking for attention and not doing what's best for his client
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Re: Pre-written by law tickets/Paul Varga

Postby RupertBear » May 6th, 2018, 9:41 am

The longer this goes on, the more I am convinced that Varga is in this for Varga and no one else.

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Re: Pre-written by law tickets/Paul Varga

Postby Jflem1983 » May 6th, 2018, 10:39 am

If the guy was smart hed go camp at a starbucks. They pay good for stuff like this .
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Re: Pre-written by law tickets/Paul Varga

Postby CTF » May 7th, 2018, 12:33 pm

I full support the City on this one. There are locations where one can legally panhandle and this individual refuses to occupy them instead insisting on a location that is against the City by-law. What next can I go and park in a non-parking zone simply because I feel entitled to park there? A City needs to be able to enforce it's bylaws otherwise they become meaningless.
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Re: Pre-written by law tickets/Paul Varga

Postby soupy » May 7th, 2018, 1:24 pm

CTF wrote:I full support the City on this one. There are locations where one can legally panhandle and this individual refuses to occupy them instead insisting on a location that is against the City by-law. What next can I go and park in a non-parking zone simply because I feel entitled to park there? A City needs to be able to enforce it's bylaws otherwise they become meaningless.



100% agree. Very sad if it does go all the way to the Courts for this issue. But if it does, i sure hope they maintain the max fines and follow through with jail-time if he cannot pay.
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Re: Pre-written by law tickets/Paul Varga

Postby twobits » May 7th, 2018, 7:15 pm

And I say too bad the City can't send the whole bill......from tickets, to bylaw staff time and wages, City staff time and wages, and lawyer time and wages where it belongs. Mr Varga.
This is not a pro bono case for a valid social justice cause. Mr Varga is no different IMO than a face masked anarchist throwing rocks thru the windows of establishment. Instead of a mask, Mr Varga hides behind a law degree and thinks that makes his anarchism OK. Pure Narcissist.
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