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[burnedatstake]

And they were also told if they didn't sign up with the union the couldn't have the job. Sign up or no job here for you.
How's that not a form of gun to their head?

not at all. people still apply for jobs that are minimum wage as well. no guns to any heads. you know the climate and know what the jobs entails. no guns anywhere. just people who make choices.

[OKkayak]

A Union is a tool, not a solution as so many Pro-Union supporters will have you believe. With any tool, you need to understand its purpose, learn how to use it properly, keep it well maintained and everyone needs to understand very clearly, that if those steps aren't followed, it can hurt you big time.

[burnedatstake]

A Union is a tool, not a solution as so many Pro-Union supporters will have you believe. With any tool, you need to understand its purpose, learn how to use it properly, keep it well maintained and everyone needs to understand very clearly, that if those steps aren't followed, it can hurt you big time.

interesting point. because business knows their weaponry well. and they are united and focused. unions and members have been mobilizing and that shows. but as the liberals tried to indicate before they lost power with certain unions that seemed to support business - they are not always united.

[cv23]

not at all. people still apply for jobs that are minimum wage as well. no guns to any heads. you know the climate and know what the jobs entails. no guns anywhere. just people who make choices.

So in other words what you're saying is the casino jobs are just like any other minimum wage job except that with the BCGEU workers can, and should, expect benefits like paying union dues and walking the picket lines for strike pay.

[cv23]

because business knows their weaponry well. and they are united and focused.

Unions have become businesses. They have a president, executive officers, staff, offices, etc. These paid employees don't produce anything and collect a pay cheque, even if the members (workers) are on strike. Unions are a business that survives by feeding off it's hosts. Never taking so much as to kill the hosts but taking sustenance enough to feed itself at the hosts expense.

[twobits]

Unions are a business that survives by feeding off it's hosts. Never taking so much as to kill the hosts but taking sustenance enough to feed itself at the hosts expense.

The dictionary definition is "parasite". An organism (organization) whose existence relies solely on the production and existence of others.

[fluffy]

The dictionary definition is "parasite". An organism (organization) whose existence relies solely on the production and existence of others.

Rather like most management positions then?

[Vacancyrate]

not at all. people still apply for jobs that are minimum wage as well. no guns to any heads. you know the climate and know what the jobs entails. no guns anywhere. just people who make choices.

The gun pointed at their head is loaded with "starvation" and "homelessness".

[OKkayak]

Rather like most management positions then?

A parasite is a parasite, doesn’t matter what you label it.

[fluffy]

The union vs. non-union argument is often full of stereotypes and generalizations, some deserved, most not so much. The failings on both sides of the coin are not due to political philosophy but much more human faults of greed and thirst for power. As long as there are unscrupulous employers there will be a need for organized labour.

I don’t really know enough about the Casino situation to comment, but if I were to take a closer look I’d be comparing skills and training levels of the employees to their current pay rates, tips and benefits included. Toss in some consideration for length of service, employer expectations, wage levels at similar operations, and local cost of living and you could ball-park what a fair rate of pay would be.

[cv23]

As long as there are unscrupulous employers there will be a need for organized labour.

Labor laws have made unions into dinosaurs who's time has gone.
While we can indeed thank unions for much of our current labor legislation most unions have not kept pace with changing times making them more of a liability than an asset for workers.
The casino's have in no way been "unscrupulous" and even if they were the courts would be on the workers side to get them what they are entitled to under the law. From what has been said in the Kelowna discussion on this topic it is clear that at least one casino employee admits to not properly claiming his tip money to CRA, so just who are the unscrupulous ones in this dispute?

[Jflem1983]

That depends. Look at the BCNU. Strong union. Does a lot for its members. Now look at the BCGEU in this casino strike. Appears not to be helping the members. Maybe its a public private thing

[twobits]

Rather like most management positions then?

Cheap shot fluff way below your weight class. You are suggesting a chicken or egg first argument. Does management rely on worker bee's for their position or do worker bee's only have a job because someone stepped up with capital to create an enterprise that requires management like HR, Payroll, Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Research and development etc?

[OKkayak]

As long as there are unscrupulous employers there will be a need for organized labour.

"No one is holding a gun to someone's head and forcing someone to take a Union job." The same argument applies to working for an "unscrupulous employer", you are free to leave at anytime.

[fluffy]

Cheap shot fluff way below your weight class. You are suggesting a chicken or egg first argument. Does management rely on worker bee's for their position or do worker bee's only have a job because someone stepped up with capital to create an enterprise that requires management like HR, Payroll, Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Research and development etc?

Back at ya. Are you saying an organization of hundreds of members should go without administrative assistance or some form of leadership? You might want to rethink your parasite theory.