Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby twobits » Sep 17th, 2018, 7:44 pm

No, I don't think so. Moduline and the Foundry come to mid as obvious examples. I could go on but won't.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby seewood » Sep 17th, 2018, 8:13 pm

twobits wrote:No, I don't think so. Moduline and the Foundry come to mid as obvious examples. I could go on but won't.


Gorman Bros is non union, Structurlam, Grayback Construction, others, Peter Bros? All non union. Perhaps a rep but I sure don't hear much in the news about labour strife at those employers.

Not sure if there is a correlation, but perhaps when a private industry has a monopoly of sorts ( CN or CP ) one might find a union. Unions in the private sector are loosing their relevance I believe. Too much competition for the same work or contracts and the benefits and wages demanded in a union shop, some going back to union bosses, are such that price sensitive jobs will likely be awarded to a non union shop.
I'm sure there are plenty of examples where this might not have happened but I'm generalizing.
These clowns in government are an example by the sounds of it where construction will be done by union hires, increasing our tax dollars to be spent.
I try to be prudent with what I spend. Why can't these clowns do the same?
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby twobits » Sep 19th, 2018, 4:47 pm

seewood wrote:
Gorman Bros is non union, Structurlam, Grayback Construction, others, Peter Bros? All non union. Perhaps a rep but I sure don't hear much in the news about labour strife at those employers.



No they are all not non union but that was not a point here. It was just made to seem to be. The two examples I cited are both union shops. They would not be functioning without a management level outside of the union just like the Casino wouldn't. The corollary here however is how the Casino is still doing business without the worker bee's? The BCGEU needs to recognize this and temper the expectations or this could go lead to an employee decertification application.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby common_sense_guy » Sep 20th, 2018, 10:50 am

I think all you workers that are on strike should tell your union we've had enough. We should have been happy with our 20 plus dollars an hour and we want to go back to work and we're sorry we went on strike. I'm sorry but none of you are worth more than $20 an hour for the job you do at the casino.. all you're doing is drawing more attention to yourselves that you're not claiming all your tips and it's going to catch up with you. Be happy with your wage and go back to work
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby CTF » Sep 20th, 2018, 10:53 am

The casino workers are basically screwed. They are not an essential service and the casino slot machines can turn over enough cash without them working. This strike will go on for a very long time unless the BCGEU accepts the reality they cannot win in this scenario. I feel for the workers as the wages are squat but if you need a higher income upgrade your skills and find a better paying job.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 20th, 2018, 11:39 am

CTF wrote:The casino workers are basically screwed. They are not an essential service and the casino slot machines can turn over enough cash without them working. This strike will go on for a very long time unless the BCGEU accepts the reality they cannot win in this scenario. I feel for the workers as the wages are squat but if you need a higher income upgrade your skills and find a better paying job.


Someone had written in the Central Okanagan thread about the strike topic that seemed to make sense.

BCGEU also represents health-care workers who will soon be negociating a new contract.
The theory is, if they can get a decent raise for the "unskilled" casino workers, it will be much easier to get raises for health-care workers who do require some education and schooling. The Union will say "well these care-aids have to go to school, get certificates etc etc. their raises should be equal to or more than the casino staff".

When I was still an active Union member in a previous job, I was sure happy that we continued to work even with an expired contract. Once a new contract was ratified we received nice pay-cheques retro-active to the day the contract ended.

It is painfully apparent the BCGEU has dug their heals in as they always leave negociations early.

Wonder if we will see some fires in old oil drums to keep the striking workers warm in the next few months ?

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 20th, 2018, 8:44 pm

if time is what it takes then take it. the lunatics that are not union workers saying they should quit obviously have things too easy in life and have no resolve. better off not joining a union. stick with the cushy millennial bubble wrap.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 20th, 2018, 9:06 pm

burnedatstake wrote:if time is what it takes then take it. the lunatics that are not union workers saying they should quit obviously have things too easy in life and have no resolve. better off not joining a union. stick with the cushy millennial bubble wrap.


I am pro union. Have a great pension waiting for me as a result of my time with a union. But from the get go i didnt agree with this unions work stoppage. Said it would end up a lose - lose for both parties.
But as this drags on and the slot machines are still taking money, i think Cascade is doing just fine.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 20th, 2018, 9:12 pm

yes - but how long do you think managers who are doing more for their wages and salaries will want to do that? especially when it was their jobs to make sure those jobs were done for less? the fatigue will eventually happen when managers start dropping like flies. as such i say more power to the union members. and if this is a win for lowly uneducated workers used as leverage for a huge win for the bc nurses......i cant wait till a right wing government tries to rip up that contract.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 21st, 2018, 7:09 am

burnedatstake wrote:yes - but how long do you think managers who are doing more for their wages and salaries will want to do that? especially when it was their jobs to make sure those jobs were done for less? the fatigue will eventually happen when managers start dropping like flies. as such i say more power to the union members. and if this is a win for lowly uneducated workers used as leverage for a huge win for the bc nurses......i cant wait till a right wing government tries to rip up that contract.


LOL. Ive heard from sources the managers arent complaining. They are receiving their regular salaries and now getting hefty tips on top.

Also, BC Nurses are represented by a different union :smt045

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby fluffy » Sep 21st, 2018, 7:40 am

You can't really blame someone for wanting to get ahead, I doubt there is anyone here who wouldn't appreciate a raise. The question is "how much is enough?", when you consider cost of living. As I understand it, the striking workers are seeking parity with their counterparts in other parts of the province, not an unreasonable request in my mind, especially when it was the industry itself that set the goalposts. The Okanagan has seen prices of everything spiraling upwards, quickly closing the gap between here and the lower mainland. Is a level playing field too much to ask?
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby cv23 » Sep 21st, 2018, 10:11 am

burnedatstake wrote: the lunatics that are not union workers saying they should quit obviously have things too easy in life and have no resolve.

Now you're getting it!
The reason they have things easy in life is because they invested in bettering themselves with training to get good non-union jobs and didn't have to rely on gang mentality to help them get ahead.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby cv23 » Sep 21st, 2018, 10:16 am

burnedatstake wrote: and if this is a win for lowly uneducated workers used as leverage for a huge win for the bc nurses

Nice words about the casino workers but very true.
The only wins there will ever be for "lowly uneducated workers" will be by raises in the minimum wage and deservedly so.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby cv23 » Sep 21st, 2018, 10:24 am

fluffy wrote: As I understand it, the striking workers are seeking parity with their counterparts in other parts of the province, not an unreasonable request in my mind,

Then just like every other worker they have the option move to where the high paid work is. Welders in the Okanagan make squat compared to those in northern BC or those working overseas for doing the same job. Same with most other jobs, there is always somewhere else that pays more and workers are free to go there and earn it.
Unfortunately good paying jobs usually require special skills or training and are not offered to "lowly uneducated workers".

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 21st, 2018, 11:02 am

i find it fascinating how there is a tone of disdain and condescension in regards to a comment about "lowly uneducated workers" which is being taken out of the context presented as a negative. not every small business owner was highly educated. not every salesman was highly educated. not every construction contractor has their journeyman ticket or education.

is there a double standard? is every worker lowly and uneducated because they have a bad market of work and jobs to choose from close to home? and if workers have to educate themselves and be appealing to employers - then it is only rational for employees to demand that employers step up and be more beneficial as well. after all - employees are not whining that there is a lack of skilled labor or workers. businesses are. fact is - its the pay that is the problem. or employers wanting to dish off their responsibilities onto workers for next to nothing. if the juice is worth the squeeze then employers would get production and value. as is evident - employers cant see the forest for the trees.
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