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Postby alanjh595 » Sep 21st, 2018, 11:23 am

The lack of using the the proper literary syntax is a sure sign of lack of education.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby cv23 » Sep 21st, 2018, 12:39 pm

burnedatstake wrote:i find it fascinating how there is a tone of disdain and condescension in regards to a comment about "lowly uneducated workers" which is being taken out of the context presented as a negative.


It wasn't just "a" comment it was YOUR comment and how else should such a condescending statement be taken if not as a negative when it was made as a negative.
But a good job of back pedaling and trying to take your foot out of your mouth.
Fact is that service jobs and those not requiring any training or special skills will remain as starting out jobs and do so at minimum wage. Jobs requiring specialized skills and certain levels of training will always pay more because the workers that have special training, qualifications and skills are worth more to an employer.
Business owners take risks, create jobs and are not union members because they think for themselves and educated business owners are usually the most successful. The most successful salespeople are hardworking creative individuals whose skills, god given and achieved through training, provide them with their income, again non-union. While many construction workers are not certified trades people they are usually the lowest paid ones onsite while those that have taken the time to upgrade their skills and become certified trades people are usually the highest paid ones on the same site, unions don't get them their wages their training and skills does.
Its no secret in life that those with training and skills get paid more because they are worth more to the person paying them. Want to get ahead? Improve yourself and make yourself not only more attractive to employers but worth more to them to. If you want to remain at the bottom or on a picket line as in this case, sit back and let others manipulate you for their benefit not yours.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby alanjh595 » Sep 21st, 2018, 12:50 pm

I concur completely with the above comment (CV23).

It is also the responsibility of those that have obtained recognizable certification to supervise and train those that have not put in the time and have taken their skills and education to the next level.
Those that have certification are responsible for the safety of those that are just learning the trade.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 21st, 2018, 1:52 pm

alanjh595 wrote:I concur completely with the above comment (CV23).

It is also the responsibility of those that have obtained recognizable certification to supervise and train those that have not put in the time and have taken their skills and education to the next level.
Those that have certification are responsible for the safety of those that are just learning the trade.


really? ive never seen companies and leaders held responsible for young workers deaths or maimings. just a green hardhat, extra droning on in orientations and paperwork to fill out. usually the responsibility is passed onto worksafe and the workers themselves. and normally when young employees get railroaded back to work when injured (and become the employers responsibility again) there have been instances where there is suddenly a "shortage of work". education isnt hands on in companies. it is sub contracted out and paid for. lift tickets? go get trained in a 1 day course with a laminated card. fall arrest? go for a day and get a laminated card. since when do employers instill anything? some facilitate (while many dont) and are punitive after - if something happens.

i always hear about business owners "risks". what risks? if the company bombs - just declare bankruptcy. easy peasy.

time management or lack of it affecting family time resulting in absentee parenting? most people i knew used that as an excuse to buffer themselves from angry wives and children they didnt really have an interest in - except when they made time for the family.

i can agree when it comes to salespeople. some have savvy and are indeed gifted. unfortunately they are able to leverage loose tax rules and pass themselves off as sub contract when they are essentially employees. they certainly get terminated like they are "employees" when they have a period of time on the rocks or a funk. seen it.

i disagree that union workers are not given god given talent - and are somehow less in society than overhyped trump wannabes. or that they work less hard. they are just wise enough to choose a conduit where they can leave the job at home while earning what they deserve. why should a sub contractor or alleged small business owner be the only one who gets rational compensation? its just apples and oranges.

i was never more educated or certified than when i was in union. the ratio was 1 journeyman for every 3 apprentices. and when i wasnt working union my worth was considered less than union wages by non union employers. therefore it was more financially difficult to stay as "certified". besides certification is a racket that is only a money generator these days. its all gone business. and business is good with a captive audience who need a laminated card. all you have to do is watch bcit pumping out cso students because one is mandatory on sites in vancouver. or blue cross pumping out level 2 first aid students to cover employers butts.

i think many on the picket line are happy they have an advocate resisting those who truly are taking advantage of them - instead of employers treating them as a sub class of human because of alleged "risks" or administration. businesses manipulating the political climate and government to facilitate their needs. and leaving the working class falling through cracks and not even keeping up with inflation. im personally happy in the current climate. and look forward to fair wage job opportunities like there was in the 90's. good times ahead.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 21st, 2018, 1:58 pm

I'd likely be more sympathetic to the situation if all tips were claimed and released.

I take their hourly wage with a grain of salt as tips are a HUGE factor in the service industry. Yes, these are service industry employees.

I have a family member who did payroll / office management for a fancy restaurant. The amount of paychecks that went un-deposited was upwards of $10,000 a year !!! The restaurant still issued cheques rather than direct deposit as they knew many servers would often forget or misplace their cheques as all their money was from tips.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby cv23 » Sep 21st, 2018, 2:19 pm

burnedatstake wrote:really? ive never seen companies and leaders held responsible for young workers deaths or maimings. just a green hardhat, extra droning on in orientations and paperwork to fill out. usually the responsibility is passed onto worksafe and the workers themselves. and normally when young employees get railroaded back to work when injured (and become the employers responsibility again) there have been instances where there is suddenly a "shortage of work". education isnt hands on in companies. it is sub contracted out and paid for. lift tickets? go get trained in a 1 day course with a laminated card. fall arrest? go for a day and get a laminated card. since when do employers instill anything? some facilitate (while many dont) and are punitive after - if something happens.

i always hear about business owners "risks". what risks? if the company bombs - just declare bankruptcy. easy peasy.

time management or lack of it affecting family time resulting in absentee parenting? most people i knew used that as an excuse to buffer themselves from angry wives and children they didnt really have an interest in - except when they made time for the family.

i can agree when it comes to salespeople. some have savvy and are indeed gifted. unfortunately they are able to leverage loose tax rules and pass themselves off as sub contract when they are essentially employees. they certainly get terminated like they are "employees" when they have a period of time on the rocks or a funk. seen it.

i disagree that union workers are not given god given talent - and are somehow less in society than overhyped trump wannabes. or that they work less hard. they are just wise enough to choose a conduit where they can leave the job at home while earning what they deserve. why should a sub contractor or alleged small business owner be the only one who gets rational compensation? its just apples and oranges.

i was never more educated or certified than when i was in union. the ratio was 1 journeyman for every 3 apprentices. and when i wasnt working union my worth was considered less than union wages by non union employers. therefore it was more financially difficult to stay as "certified". besides certification is a racket that is only a money generator these days. its all gone business. and business is good with a captive audience who need a laminated card. all you have to do is watch bcit pumping out cso students because one is mandatory on sites in vancouver. or blue cross pumping out level 2 first aid students to cover employers butts.

i think many on the picket line are happy they have an advocate resisting those who truly are taking advantage of them - instead of employers treating them as a sub class of human because of alleged "risks" or administration. businesses manipulating the political climate and government to facilitate their needs. and leaving the working class falling through cracks and not even keeping up with inflation. im personally happy in the current climate. and look forward to fair wage job opportunities like there was in the 90's. good times ahead.


Wow has anyone else heard such a jealous bitter hate filled and clearly uneducated rant before?
Shows exactly why bettering oneself by getting an education and/or training is not just the key to improving one's employment opportunities and subsequent increases in monetary compensation but also in how they are perceived by other members of what is supposed to be one of the highest education nations in society today.
Some will always need others to do their thinking for them so unions are likely to be around for a while for that reason only.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 21st, 2018, 2:31 pm

burnedatstake wrote:
alanjh595 wrote:I concur completely with the above comment (CV23).

It is also the responsibility of those that have obtained recognizable certification to supervise and train those that have not put in the time and have taken their skills and education to the next level.
Those that have certification are responsible for the safety of those that are just learning the trade.


really? ive never seen companies and leaders held responsible for young workers deaths or maimings. just a green hardhat, extra droning on in orientations and paperwork to fill out. usually the responsibility is passed onto worksafe and the workers themselves. and normally when young employees get railroaded back to work when injured (and become the employers responsibility again) there have been instances where there is suddenly a "shortage of work". education isnt hands on in companies. it is sub contracted out and paid for. lift tickets? go get trained in a 1 day course with a laminated card. fall arrest? go for a day and get a laminated card. since when do employers instill anything? some facilitate (while many dont) and are punitive after - if something happens.


The Westray bill or Bill C-45 was federal legislation that amended the Canadian Criminal Code and became law on March 31, 2004. The Bill (introduced in 2003) established new legal duties for workplace health and safety, and imposed serious penalties for violations that result in injuries or death. The Bill provided new rules for attributing criminal liability to organizations, including corporations, their representatives and those who direct the work of others.

NOTE: The Canadian federal government reuses bill numbers. Currently Bill C-45 is being used to announce Act(s) respecting cannabis and to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Criminal Code and other Acts.
Sections of the Criminal Code

The amendment added Section 217.1 to the Criminal Code which reads:

"217.1 Every one who undertakes, or has the authority, to direct how another person does work or performs a task is under a legal duty to take reasonable steps to prevent bodily harm to that person, or any other person, arising from that work or task."

The amendment also added Sections 22.1 and 22.2 to the Criminal Code imposing criminal liability on organizations and its representatives for negligence (22.1) and other offences (22.2).

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 21st, 2018, 2:56 pm

soupy wrote:The Westray bill or Bill C-45 was federal legislation that amended the Canadian Criminal Code and became law on March 31, 2004. The Bill (introduced in 2003) established new legal duties for workplace health and safety, and imposed serious penalties for violations that result in injuries or death. The Bill provided new rules for attributing criminal liability to organizations, including corporations, their representatives and those who direct the work of others.

NOTE: The Canadian federal government reuses bill numbers. Currently Bill C-45 is being used to announce Act(s) respecting cannabis and to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Criminal Code and other Acts.
Sections of the Criminal Code

The amendment added Section 217.1 to the Criminal Code which reads:

"217.1 Every one who undertakes, or has the authority, to direct how another person does work or performs a task is under a legal duty to take reasonable steps to prevent bodily harm to that person, or any other person, arising from that work or task."

The amendment also added Sections 22.1 and 22.2 to the Criminal Code imposing criminal liability on organizations and its representatives for negligence (22.1) and other offences (22.2).


and just because there is words on paper in the guide and regs - doesnt mean that it has teeth. prosecution and fining has been hit and miss at best. if worksafe and prosecution was proactive the need for this wouldnt need to come about.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.3400506

oh - and for relevance sake i support casino union picketers!! vive la union workers! down with the greedy employers!
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 21st, 2018, 3:06 pm

burnedatstake wrote:
and just because there is words on paper in the guide and regs - doesnt mean that it has teeth. prosecution and fining has been hit and miss at best. if worksafe and prosecution was proactive the need for this wouldnt need to come about.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.3400506

oh - and for relevance sake i support casino union picketers!! vive la union workers! down with the greedy employers!


Figured you supported them. You are welcome to.

And if you don't like the words on paper go back to 1917 and make some changes.

Before 1917, a person's only option for compensation following an injury at work in B.C. was to sue the employer. That changed with an historic compromise in which workers gave up their right to sue their employer, and employers agreed to fund a no-fault insurance system.

The Workmen’s Compensation Act, put into effect in 1917 by the provincial government, eliminated expensive and lengthy lawsuits by:

Giving workers the right to compensation for injuries on the job
Giving employers immunity from lawsuits filed by injured employees
The laws protect both workers and employers. The system is supported financially by employers who pay premiums based on their assessable payroll.

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 21st, 2018, 3:36 pm

soupy wrote:Before 1917, a person's only option for compensation following an injury at work in B.C. was to sue the employer. That changed with an historic compromise in which workers gave up their right to sue their employer, and employers agreed to fund a no-fault insurance system.

The Workmen’s Compensation Act, put into effect in 1917 by the provincial government, eliminated expensive and lengthy lawsuits by:

Giving workers the right to compensation for injuries on the job
Giving employers immunity from lawsuits filed by injured employees
The laws protect both workers and employers. The system is supported financially by employers who pay premiums based on their assessable payroll.


and like all things over a long period of time it has been perfected by worksafe to give as little as possible while favoring employers. which i dont think was the intentions 100 years ago. unfortunately the changes will continue to be punitive towards employees.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby alanjh595 » Sep 21st, 2018, 4:03 pm

burnedatstake wrote:
alanjh595 wrote:I concur completely with the above comment (CV23).

It is also the responsibility of those that have obtained recognizable certification to supervise and train those that have not put in the time and have taken their skills and education to the next level.
Those that have certification are responsible for the safety of those that are just learning the trade.


really? ive never seen companies and leaders held responsible for young workers deaths or maimings.
Then you don't follow the Health and Safety news letters. Just because you don't hear about them, doesn't mean they don't happen.
just a green hardhat, extra droning on in orientations and paperwork to fill out. usually the responsibility is passed onto worksafe and the workers themselves.
Companies and supervisors are held responsible for conducting and ensuring safe work site safety. Check the Worksafe regs. and normally when young employees get railroaded back to work when injured (and become the employers responsibility again) NO, Worksafe is responsible for ensuring that an injured employee is safe to work.
there have been instances where there is suddenly a "shortage of work". education isnt hands on in companies.
I don't know what you are trying to imply here. The wording and the sentence is too obscure. Try again.
it is sub contracted out and paid for. lift tickets?
"Lift tickets?" The only lift tickets I am aware of are for Big White. Where does this come from?
go get trained in a 1 day course with a laminated card. fall arrest? go for a day and get a laminated card. since when do employers instill anything? some facilitate (while many dont) and are punitive after - if something happens.
I now see that I have not wasted any of my time trying to decipher your previous posts. I won't make the same mistake twice.

i always hear about business owners "risks". what risks? if the company bombs - just declare bankruptcy. easy peasy.
Do you have ANY understanding of what the repercussions are for declaring bankruptcy? It's not easy and very far from peasy.

time management or lack of it affecting family time resulting in absentee parenting? most people i knew used that as an excuse to buffer themselves from angry wives and children they didnt really have an interest in - except when they made time for the family.
Must have been a pretty
rough neighbourhood you grew up in.

i can agree when it comes to salespeople. some have savvy and are indeed gifted. unfortunately they are able to leverage loose tax rules and pass themselves off as sub contract when they are essentially employees. they certainly get terminated like they are "employees" when they have a period of time on the rocks or a funk. seen it.
Under performers get caned all the time, especially in the sales field. So what ? Nothing new.

i disagree that union workers are not given god given talent
Therefore; all unionized employees must have a "god given talent". Was Jesus and his disciples in a union?

I have grown bored with replying to nonsense, I will stop here. Someone else can either take over or everyone else can see and predict for themselves where this is going.


- and are somehow less in society than overhyped trump wannabes. or that they work less hard. they are just wise enough to choose a conduit where they can leave the job at home while earning what they deserve. why should a sub contractor or alleged small business owner be the only one who gets rational compensation? its just apples and oranges.

i was never more educated or certified than when i was in union. the ratio was 1 journeyman for every 3 apprentices. and when i wasnt working union my worth was considered less than union wages by non union employers. therefore it was more financially difficult to stay as "certified". besides certification is a racket that is only a money generator these days. its all gone business. and business is good with a captive audience who need a laminated card. all you have to do is watch bcit pumping out cso students because one is mandatory on sites in vancouver. or blue cross pumping out level 2 first aid students to cover employers butts.

i think many on the picket line are happy they have an advocate resisting those who truly are taking advantage of them - instead of employers treating them as a sub class of human because of alleged "risks" or administration. businesses manipulating the political climate and government to facilitate their needs. and leaving the working class falling through cracks and not even keeping up with inflation. im personally happy in the current climate. and look forward to fair wage job opportunities like there was in the 90's. good times ahead.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 21st, 2018, 4:39 pm

burnedatstake wrote:
and like all things over a long period of time it has been perfected by worksafe to give as little as possible while favoring employers. which i dont think was the intentions 100 years ago. unfortunately the changes will continue to be punitive towards employees.


This is unbelievable statement, HAHAHAHA.

WorkSafe definitely does not favour employers. Off topic to this thread. But i would gladly debate that with you any day of the week.

We can talk about it over a few beers at the Casino tonight. Ill even buy ! :130:

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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby twobits » Sep 21st, 2018, 7:02 pm

burnedatstake wrote:i find it fascinating how there is a tone of disdain and condescension in regards to a comment about "lowly uneducated workers" which is being taken out of the context presented as a negative. not every small business owner was highly educated. not every salesman was highly educated. not every construction contractor has their journeyman ticket or education.

is there a double standard? is every worker lowly and uneducated because they have a bad market of work and jobs to choose from close to home? and if workers have to educate themselves and be appealing to employers - then it is only rational for employees to demand that employers step up and be more beneficial as well. after all - employees are not whining that there is a lack of skilled labor or workers. businesses are. fact is - its the pay that is the problem. or employers wanting to dish off their responsibilities onto workers for next to nothing. if the juice is worth the squeeze then employers would get production and value. as is evident - employers cant see the forest for the trees.


You know what? I actually like your plan. Let's all quit school in grade 10 and when we are all as equally unskilled, the employers will all have to pay us 35 bucks an hour or we won't come to work.
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby soupy » Sep 21st, 2018, 8:22 pm

burnedatstake wrote:
and just because there is words on paper in the guide and regs - doesnt mean that it has teeth. prosecution and fining has been hit and miss at best. if worksafe and prosecution was proactive the need for this wouldnt need to come about.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.3400506

oh - and for relevance sake i support casino union picketers!! vive la union workers! down with the greedy employers!


OMG !!

I forgot this is the best part.

First paragraph you bash WorkSafe for not doing their job, and supporting Mill workers suing them. Second sentence you pledge your love all union workers.
Do you realize that those WorkSafe employees are Union workers ?
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Re: Casino Booming Headline Timing.

Postby burnedatstake » Sep 21st, 2018, 8:55 pm

soupy wrote:First paragraph you bash WorkSafe for not doing their job, and supporting Mill workers suing them. Second sentence you pledge your love all union workers.
Do you realize that those WorkSafe employees are Union workers ?


i gotta give it to you there. that is true. and god bless them for their 90 k starting salary for occupational safety officer.
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