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Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 8th, 2018, 9:10 am
by fluffy
NOTE: I drafted this post as a response to another under a different topic, choosing instead to give it a thread of its own due to the potential for a major derailment of the other thread:

twobits wrote:Surrey, the largest Municipality in the Province, is dumping the RCMP. Maybe the Okanagan Valley in conjunction with the involved RD's could do the same? The OKPD would be sweet. Some direct accountability to the local people paying the wages instead of some striped white shirt in Ottawa telling us what they need for budget for their inflated ego's.


Interesting thought. What would be involved in a "change of guard" aside from the obvious replacement of personnel? What is the ownership status of local assets? I take it the actual RCMP building is city property because building a new one is always a major point of discussion, but what about equipment? There must be millions wrapped up in automobiles, administrative and investigative equipment along with personal equipment. Is that a chunk of coin we would have to lay out again or can that stuff be handed down?

There does come a point in any business arrangement where we have to take a serious look at the value we are getting for our tax dollars, especially if more efficient options are available. But it goes beyond the money. As you said having governance and finances can be a big plus, but also has its own said of pitfalls. The first thing that comes to mind is the state of local politics and the divisiveness that is inevitable in just about any big decision (and lots of little ones too) made locally. A tough question that would have to be faced is whether or not we are socially mature enough not to let a local police force become yet another political tangle with no possibility of ever getting everyone on the same page. Our history tends to lean towards a negative response to that question.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 8th, 2018, 9:42 am
by Fancy
Surrey is expecting to retain close to 60 percent of the current personnel. There would be a good chance the same could be said for an Okanagan Police Force.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 8th, 2018, 9:48 am
by Even Steven
Interesting:

A recent Globe and Mail investigation into the RCMP’s municipal policing revealed that jurisdictions using the Mounties offered significant savings for taxpayers, but the discount appeared to come at a price. Data from 21 B.C. jurisdictions showed that RCMP forces had disproportionately low staffing levels, with officers carrying significantly higher caseloads. The Globe’s analysis also found that crime rates tended to be higher in jurisdictions policed by the RCMP rather than municipal forces.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... aunch-new/

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 8th, 2018, 10:30 am
by southy
Some more information regarding municipal force: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/just ... /municipal

I also find it interesting that in Nelson for example, they have city police within the city, yet there is also an Regional RCMP office within the city that handles the surrounding areas. Not sure to what extent the regional district would be involved in funding or if it is provincial/federal.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 8th, 2018, 8:57 pm
by twobits
When a jurisdiction is required to pay for 90% of the policing bill that is over and above the local taxpayers cost of the RCMP minimum standard facility, you can bet your sweet arse that the ten percent left on the table is paying for the Ottawa brass salaries telling us how much money we need to spend for policing. We own everything else except the ability to tell our local chief to patrol what areas, bust crackheads roaming neighbourhoods with wheel barrows with booty, quit sending overweight cops behind bushes to get traffic fine revenues instead of criminals. Instead, we get a lecture from the top cop about social funding shortfalls instead of justifying his and his employee's salaries in results and accountibilty to the locals that pay his fat salary and pension forever instead of the brass in Ottawa.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 8th, 2018, 9:38 pm
by pentona
We must not forget what the RCMP told the city (Penticton, at least); you either build a new detachment for us or we will have it built and send you the bill. Sounds a bit like the Trump/Mexico Wall.

Did they really need a new building or just renos. After all, they are supposed to be out on the roads, not inside a cushy new building.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 9th, 2018, 12:37 am
by Fancy
Probably not just renos. And there always is the mountain of paperwork to be completed - in a building.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 9th, 2018, 4:54 pm
by twobits
How about the "top cop" for the City that pays 90% of the costs get's to choose who will be hired to run the local show? Also subject to firing by the City. Even that would be an improvement.
What we seem to get instead is near retirement appointee's getting a paid move to a plumb location for the sunset of their career and a new boss in town every cpl of yrs. Exactly how we got this last social activist instead of real policing.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 9th, 2018, 8:54 pm
by Jflem1983
Be a huge waste of money . I Just like the cops we have now.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 10th, 2018, 8:19 pm
by twobits
Jflem1983 wrote:Be a huge waste of money . I Just like the cops we have now.


Care to elaborate?

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 10th, 2018, 9:02 pm
by JagXKR
There would be little change in the cops that are working here. But maybe there would be change in the upper brass that blames victims for being victims.
I could care less if it stays RCMP or not. Get rid of the jagoff who blames victims instead of protecting citizens. He needs to go and go yesterday. Worthless overpaid bureaucrat.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 11th, 2018, 12:05 am
by Jflem1983
twobits wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:Be a huge waste of money . I Just like the cops we have now.


Care to elaborate?




Cost many millions to pay em out and start over. Not holding out hope anything will get better. Laws will still be the same.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 11th, 2018, 11:37 am
by Fancy
Jflem1983 wrote:Cost many millions to pay em out and start over.
How do you figure that? RCMP that don't wish to stay and make the transition would just be relocated.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 11th, 2018, 11:40 am
by Jflem1983
Costs a lot to shut down a business. Costs more to start one. POLICE are a business. We get good value for our money now. It will not get better. The laws need to change.

Re: Okanagan Police Force

PostPosted: Nov 11th, 2018, 12:19 pm
by Fancy
Not so much shutting down as a transfer of services - assets can be acquired. Other cities have done it and I expect other communities will be looking at Surrey as to whether it is feasible and cost effective.