Where are they all coming from?

Where are they all coming from?

Postby nihiriju » May 2nd, 2019, 9:54 pm

Went on a walk downtown tonight at 9 pm. Counted no less than 28 homeless people with a few setting up their side walk sleeping quarters. A few years ago it seemed like there were only a handful and you would see the same people regularly and could talk with them on a daily basis. Now there seems to be hundreds and everyday new people. Where are they all coming from? What is changing in society to make such a drastic increase?
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Urban Cowboy » May 2nd, 2019, 9:58 pm

I'm going to speculate that word has gotten around, that the weather is bearable here compared to some of their other options, and they can make money easily, by selling copper downspouts and such, that they find laying around. :biggrin:

Then again, it's very possible that Horgan sends them up here, because he knows no one in the valley will give the NDP enough votes, to gain a foothold here. [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby common_sense_guy » May 7th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Urban Cowboy wrote:I'm going to speculate that word has gotten around, that the weather is bearable here compared to some of their other options, and they can make money easily, by selling copper downspouts and such, that they find laying around. :biggrin:

Then again, it's very possible that Horgan sends them up here, because he knows no one in the valley will give the NDP enough votes, to gain a foothold here. [icon_lol2.gif]

Your first paragraph had some good points and some merit. Then I read your second paragraph. And good grief .won't be reading any more of your posts anymore. I'm hoping you were making a joke but the way some people in here think I'm starting to doubt that
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby pieinthei » May 7th, 2019, 2:49 pm

apparently didn't see your laughing emoji
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby onestop67 » May 11th, 2019, 12:45 am

nihiriju wrote:Went on a walk downtown tonight at 9 pm. Counted no less than 28 homeless people with a few setting up their side walk sleeping quarters. A few years ago it seemed like there were only a handful and you would see the same people regularly and could talk with them on a daily basis. Now there seems to be hundreds and everyday new people. Where are they all coming from? What is changing in society to make such a drastic increase?


Went on a walk downtown tonight at 9 pm. Counted no less than 28 homeless people

A few years ago it seemed like there were only a handful

Now there seems to be hundreds


I'm guessing your numbers haven't been statistically verified?

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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Queen K » May 11th, 2019, 9:18 pm

nihiriju wrote:Went on a walk downtown tonight at 9 pm. Counted no less than 28 homeless people with a few setting up their side walk sleeping quarters. A few years ago it seemed like there were only a handful and you would see the same people regularly and could talk with them on a daily basis. Now there seems to be hundreds and everyday new people. Where are they all coming from? What is changing in society to make such a drastic increase?


Have you seen rent prices lately?

Who is making $1200 or more for a suite? Or $700 plus for a bedroom, and 1/3 utilities? Nevermind running a vehicle?

Rents increase and push people out. Everyone wants a "student" or a "christian" or a working professional. No one wants someone retired or just plain down on luck. And places go fast, if you're not on the 'net and instantly seeing a place that goes up for rent, forget about it.

Yes, they are coming from the places they can no longer afford.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby onestop67 » May 11th, 2019, 9:37 pm

Queen K wrote:Have you seen rent prices lately?

Who is making $1200 or more for a suite? Or $700 plus for a bedroom, and 1/3 utilities? Nevermind running a vehicle?

Rents increase and push people out. Everyone wants a "student" or a "christian" or a working professional. No one wants someone retired or just plain down on luck. And places go fast, if you're not on the 'net and instantly seeing a place that goes up for rent, forget about it.

Yes, they are coming from the places they can no longer afford.


Rent isn't quite as bad here as Kelowna. My son just moved here and he and his friend found a 2 bedroom apartment for $1250...+ electric and any "luxury" utilities they want. So around $1500 a month all in. It's your basic apartment in a decent building, but he got lucky finding that one. Most are $1400+ just for the rent.

There are a bunch of BC Housing units...coming soon.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby SouthernOkanagan » May 13th, 2019, 5:39 am

I'll tell you why there's a drastic increase, its really quite simple, the local motels who allow monthly rentals have done most of their seasonal kicking out of low income renters on May 1st!
Now they have a month to clean up then they can start charging $70 to $130 a night for the rooms!
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Brushy Bill » May 13th, 2019, 8:58 pm

like that hasn't been happening for decades.

I do agree though , the increase in numbers must be from Horgan giving out one-way tickets and get-out-of-jail-free cards.
Couple that with all the enabling, acknowledgement, legitimizing and pandering, things couldn't be better for binners
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Sabumnim123 » May 14th, 2019, 12:16 am

Years ago, It used to be that, in smaller urban areas like Penticton, homelessness was non-existant and if good little Christians saw a beggar or homeless person, (even on the way to church) you would ignore that person like a pariah, hoping that they would go away, as if - well, that's not MY problem, it's a "municipal problem," a "lower mainland problem" or a provincial government problem (as one poster claims).

Well, guess what ? Poverty, homelessness, and even criminality is EVERYBODY's problem here in the Okanagan and if you are not part of the solution, then, you are part of the problem. Your local neighborhood is only as good as its weakest link, its lowest common denominator ?

If the world was fair, then, everyone would get their fare share. However, since it is basically screw unto others, [icon_lol2.gif] poverty and homelessness is here to stay, unfortunately. And, I predict it will only get worse, unless some brave man or woman comes to the foreground.

Who that person will be, only time will tell !
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby fluffy » May 14th, 2019, 5:03 am

Sabumnim123 wrote:If the world was fair, then, everyone would get their fare share. However, since it is basically screw unto others, [icon_lol2.gif] poverty and homelessness is here to stay, unfortunately.


That is pretty close to the mark, albeit in a very general way.

I’ve been reading a bit on the homelessness issue in Seattle, where the “unsheltered” number in the thousands. Research there is showing that the number one cause of homelessness is the loss of a job, followed closely by addiction issues severe enough to make someone unemployable. At the end of the day it does come down to money, but you can separate that into areas like income disparity, the “fair share” thing, along with employment precarity or the fact that career employment, even full time hourly jobs, are becoming more and more rare as employers seek to minimize costs in favour of profits. There’s also government cutbacks in the social safety net, particularly in the area of addiction, but that’s another toughie as addiction itself comes with a healthy dose of denial. There can be no helping someone who is not willing to own their problem.

The solution is obvious, to varying degrees the “haves” everywhere are going to have to make do with less so that the “have nots’ can improve their lot in life, but that is not going to be an easy sell because it’s pretty much standard these days that no matter how much we have, we all would like a little more.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Brushy Bill » May 14th, 2019, 8:14 am

There can be no helping someone who is not willing to own their problem.
there should be help for those willing to help themselves too. No reason a person down and out can't have a job and live in a tent.
No wonder folk would rather turn a blind eye than help when its impossible to know who really is worthy of help and who is just skidding along hoping for a handout.
Society handles the down and outs different than in the past. Used to be a bus would show up along side the curb and anybody wanting to go to work jumped on and sweated for a days pay. These days that would be offensive.
Its also hard to get behind the homes for homeless program when the bigest concern is where they can shoot up safely instead of how the residents can get to work.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Brushy Bill » May 14th, 2019, 8:21 am

The solution is obvious, to varying degrees the “haves” everywhere are going to have to make do with less so that the “have nots’ can improve their lot in life
we already do give more, through taxes. Each community should be able to afford a full-tme position for someone to be in the streets and alleys and camps to see who needs help and where to spend the effort to help. No one should be asked to help someone else just to stick poison in their veins.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby kgcayenne » May 14th, 2019, 8:50 am

Brushy Bill wrote:...No one should be asked to help someone else just to stick poison in their veins.

Is that really only thing you see?

What about the kid who can't develop much for life skills because of being shuffled around without real social and familial connections (both grandparents still working well into their 60s) while his mom works three jobs to make sure there's a roof over their heads?

What about the 40 something fellow who had a decent job, but after his divorce the alimony and child support were killing him, so he took a second job (What? The ex has the kids so he doesn't get to see them, may as well work another job) where he's extra tired for the first job and gets sloppy. Suddenly he gets hurt, WCB isn't giving him a fair shake, physio costs $80/week, and now he can't pay his own rent, he's in pain, he feels hopeless.

What about the 22 yr old woman who had been the victim of human trafficking since she was 15 (her mom was working three jobs and missed the signs of trouble). She's ashamed, terrified, and no one will ever look at her as though she's got any worth beyond spreading her legs to make income for her owner who has threatened to kill her and her family if she bails on him; he's beaten her so bad on a couple of occasions that she believes he'd do it, too.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Brushy Bill » May 14th, 2019, 4:23 pm

Exactly ! Identify those that are willing to rise if given the chance and make success stories and folks will line up to help.
Ask someone to give up $$bucks so a prolific offender can have a roof and a safe injection site, and the room will empty quick.

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