Where are they all coming from?

Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby blueliner » Jun 2nd, 2019, 5:33 pm

Sure a few of us old timers are asking the same question . Just like the Canada Geese that started showing up here way back in the 80's-90's . Some of the wonderful do gooders started feeding them and looked were there population is now :200: :200: .
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby bob vernon » Jun 11th, 2019, 4:26 pm

We need fewer do-gooders and more do-badders.

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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby DarbyD » Jul 8th, 2019, 9:14 am

Is anyone out there doing a survey of where transients and / or homeless people have been in the last 6 months to a year? That would give more realistic data as a lot of transients start coming here as soon as our Spring weather happens because it's still Winter in other parts of the country.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Mike Br. » Jul 9th, 2019, 10:11 am

They all have smart phones nowadays. Word spreads fast. Every new "supportive housing" project brings in a new flock of junkies, from all over Canada.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby the truth » Jul 9th, 2019, 10:21 am

Mike Br. wrote:They all have smart phones nowadays. Word spreads fast. Every new "supportive housing" project brings in a new flock of junkies, from all over Canada.


and that's a fact..........
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby blueliner » Jul 10th, 2019, 9:37 pm

Mike Br. wrote:They all have smart phones nowadays. Word spreads fast. Every new "supportive housing" project brings in a new flock of junkies, from all over Canada.

Build it and they will come , but draw a hard line in the sand and they will leave :smt045 :smt045
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby 1092 » Jul 16th, 2019, 6:33 pm

If the City house every person in the OK, next year there will be the same amount of people from all over Canada looking for hand outs.

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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby DarbyD » Jul 17th, 2019, 9:29 am

A while ago I stopped to help a young woman who seemed to be lost in our neighbourhood. She was a bit out of it and smelled of booze. Her problem was she didn't know how to get back to the house she was staying in. Social services, or maybe it was a women's shelter in another city, decided for her well being she had to go live in a different city. They had given her money and even rented a supposedly safe room for her to stay in Penticton. When she got here she said the other renters at this place were all drinkers who enticed her to join them in their drinking and partying. She said she had become afraid and run away from that place, but then had nowhere else to go and didn't know the city. I eventually figured out what housing place she was talking about and took her there when she said she needed to go back and get her belongings. By the time we reached that place she had decided she would give it another try and stay there.

So where are they coming from? Sometimes with the best of intentions those trying to help people in dire situations are sending them here or to any other city that they think will be safer than the situation and location they are currently in.

Government social services used to have a network that was extensive and reliable, that could help people. Over the years, and through governments that believed in privatization of all public services, the social service departments were reorganized and decimated, and many of the essential services were handed down in contracts to "for profits" and to "non profits", originally with some type of government grant or contract for funding. Down the road the funding to many non profits was clawed back and the services gutted. Many of the for profits that offered services on a contract basis didn't make a financial return on those services so those contracts were cut or severely reduced and consequently the service reduced. The human component of these services were not deemed as valuable as the financial worthiness of these services, so many safety nets that had been set up over many years were abandoned and destroyed. We are now seeing the result of all of that clawing back of public services and safety nets that vulnerable people relied on.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby kgcayenne » Jul 17th, 2019, 11:16 am

But hey! Businesses and higher income earners got tax cuts! So they should quiet their complaining and deal with it like the ‘businessmen’ they are. Cost of doing business.

One way or another, we pay.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby fluffy » Jul 18th, 2019, 8:59 am

DarbyD wrote:Government social services used to have a network that was extensive and reliable, that could help people.


And that, as they say, is that.

Granted that is a drastic over-simplification of a very complex problem, but in the end it does come down to money. The supply of resources (money) is finite, and far too much of it rests in the hands of far too few. Call me a bleeding heart if you like, and I'm sure some of you will, but problems like homelessness, job precarity, a vanishing middle class, even a failure to deal with social problems like addiction effectively, all have their roots in an absolutely wonky distribution of wealth.

We're just beginning to get to the point where these problems are really being felt, take a look at places like Venzuela for a glimpse at our future if this continues unchecked.

It has been said that one measure of a society's level of maturity is how they deal with their less fortunate and marginalized. On that scale we're not scoring very high.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Queen K » Jul 18th, 2019, 9:30 am

fluffy wrote:And that, as they say, is that.

<snip>

We're just beginning to get to the point where these problems are really being felt, take a look at places like Venzuela for a glimpse at our future if this continues unchecked.

It has been said that one measure of a society's level of maturity is how they deal with their less fortunate and marginalized. On that scale we're not scoring very high.


Truth.

Ever look around at our big box stores and ask, "how is this even sustainable?"
Ever look around at the growing number of people who can't afford homes which are not shared?
And then add up the growing expenses it takes to live in a modern society? ie $charges for cell phones, internet.

We are turning into a Victorian society right before our very eyes. Have's and have nots. Huge wealth distribution problem.

So where are they all coming from? Former middle class families.
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Queen K » Jul 18th, 2019, 10:20 am

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#261547

Interesting and difficult to know how to read this.

They say they want to help people who want to remain sober.
So what they are doing is re-aligning themselves to new programming and moving out the former tenants, all of whom one can assume that even the Mustard Seed people got sick of supporting people who just want to NOT REMAIN SOBER. Just wanted money to maintain THEIR chosen lifestyle at everyone else's expense.

The Mustard Seed is unloading freeloaders.

And that's the way I read it.

Anyone else?
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Re: Where are they all coming from?

Postby Merry » Jul 18th, 2019, 11:17 am

The problem with trying to find a solution to homelessness, is that there isn't one easy "fix all solution".

There are almost as many different causes of homelessness as there are different kinds of people. And each cause has a different solution.

Some folks end up on the street because they lost their job. Some end up there because they ran away from home. Some got kicked out of their home by their parents. And some are there because they actually prefer being on the street (or so they claim).

The last group are probably the hardest to do anything about, so society needs to focus on the first three groups.

When people lose their job, EI doesn't even cover basic living expenses if you live in a city like Kelowna. By the time you've paid rent (or your mortgage) there isn't much left for food and other living expenses, much less the cost of conducting a job search and paying to get yourself to interviews. So, if you're jobless for a very long time, it can be a downward spiral toward homelessness. And, once you hit bottom, it can be almost impossible to pull yourself out. How can you go for job interviews if your clothes are dirty and you need a shower?

Maybe Service Canada, in addition to providing computers to conduct job searches, should also provide laundry facilities and showers for the homeless. Novel idea, but how else to help those folks get back into the job market? They also need a free bus pass to get to job interviews. And they need to be able to put the Service Canada address as a contact so potential employers can reach them.

When it comes to kids running away from home, maybe parents need to be given a bit more power to prevent those kids from leaving in the first place. For example, I had a friend whose 13 year old daughter refused to obey rules. She was going out in the evening and hanging out with a bunch of drug taking 20 odd year old bikers. Her parents tried forcing her to stay home, even threatening to lock her in her room if she wouldn't obey, and she said she'd call the cops on them if they did that. I went and asked the cops if she had a case, and they said yes, parents are NOT allowed to lock kids in their room. So then, one night, her dad tried putting himself between her and the front door, and said she was not going to get past him. And she said that if he laid a hand on her she'd report him for assault. So, in fear of what might happen, he stood aside and let her go. Fast forward a few years and she wound up a druggie, who now lives on the street. And I often think that if only her parents had been allowed to parent, maybe things would have turned out differently.

In the intervening years, between the story I told and the present, the parents reached out many times to social services for family counselling, but nothing ever worked. The bottom line was that this was a very strong willed girl who needed firm discipline, not group share sessions. The other daughter in the family, who was less strong willed, turned out just fine.
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