Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby soupy » Jun 6th, 2019, 8:31 am

southy wrote:So, if they can't fine them, how exactly are they going to enforce it?


As someone said it will begin with verbal and written warnings. That is a form of enforcement.
And there is a bylaw that backs these warnings now. Not just "move along please", now it is "move along please, you are in contravention of bylaw ******"
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby southy » Jun 6th, 2019, 9:09 am

I understand … however, after that then what? Issue them a $100 ticket they won't pay? Then after they don't pay it - then what? I am not sure if this process is really the way to go because I don't see anyway in that the city can actually enforce it for a positive outcome. Perhaps with our city folk being in Quebec they will gain some insight on how best to handle this. I actually applaud Julius Bloomfield who I believe stated the city should maybe wait till they attend this conference and see what is being done in other areas of Canada.
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby Country plough boy » Jun 6th, 2019, 9:17 am

southy wrote:I understand … however, after that then what? Issue them a $100 ticket they won't pay? Then after they don't pay it - then what? I am not sure if this process is really the way to go because I don't see anyway in that the city can actually enforce it for a positive outcome. Perhaps with our city folk being in Quebec they will gain some insight on how best to handle this. I actually applaud Julius Bloomfield who I believe stated the city should maybe wait till they attend this conference and see what is being done in other areas of Canada.


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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby soupy » Jun 6th, 2019, 9:23 am

southy wrote:I understand … however, after that then what? Issue them a $100 ticket they won't pay? Then after they don't pay it - then what? I am not sure if this process is really the way to go because I don't see anyway in that the city can actually enforce it for a positive outcome. Perhaps with our city folk being in Quebec they will gain some insight on how best to handle this. I actually applaud Julius Bloomfield who I believe stated the city should maybe wait till they attend this conference and see what is being done in other areas of Canada.


So you would prefer no action at this time and just wait and see?
I'd like to see mandatory community service to pay off a ticket.

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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby southy » Jun 6th, 2019, 9:25 am

Perhaps - but how did that work with Paul?
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby southy » Jun 6th, 2019, 9:25 am

Perhaps - but how did that work with Paul? Also, I believe the RCMP even went so far as to say … arresting them isn't the answer. So we are in a situation where we kind of know what the problem is .. but we don't know what the solution to that problem is ... yet. I'm not saying we shouldn't do something … it's just that we really need to look at what that "something" is and whether or not it will resolve the issue.
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby Country plough boy » Jun 6th, 2019, 9:30 am

southy wrote:Perhaps - but how did that work with Paul? Also, I believe the RCMP even went so far as to say … arresting them isn't the answer. So we are in a situation where we kind of know what the problem is .. but we don't know what the solution to that problem is ... yet. I'm not saying we shouldn't do something … it's just that we really need to look at what that "something" is and whether or not it will resolve the issue.



Then the RCNMP needs new direction

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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby Mike Br. » Jun 6th, 2019, 10:23 am

soupy wrote:
southy wrote:So you would prefer no action at this time and just wait and see?
I'd like to see mandatory community service to pay off a ticket.

An action which produces zero results, is no better than zero action. Your second suggestion wouldn't work either, because you would have a plethora of SJWs all over you. They would probably call you a "Nazi", or something.The only solution to this problem is to make Penticton less attractive place for them to congregate. So, instead of treating them as darlings, unleash full-on intimidation and harrasement, until they find a more friendly place elsewhere. Not just by bylaw officers and cops, but citizens taking part, as well.
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby seewood » Jun 6th, 2019, 11:21 am

Mike Br. wrote:So, instead of treating them as darlings, unleash full-on intimidation and harrasement, until they find a more friendly place elsewhere


I wonder what would the HA charge?
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby my5cents » Jun 6th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Interesting situation... I would have enjoyed dialogue from the protest organizers, where they would be asked probing questions and perhaps we could learn more. The new journalistic standard is to hold a mike, perhaps asking the one MAJOR questions we always hear, "How did this make you feel" and let the party say what they like without interruptions or questions.

I for one would have like to know who paid for the obviously expensive photo's of the Penticton City Counselors on display, by the group of primarily destitute homeless people.

OK, assuming it's 100% wrong to stop homeless people from sitting and camping out all over downtown Penticton sidewalks, how should city counsel deal with the stores, and in the future, the entire tourist industry that will suffer from this practice ?

The City of Vancouver created a pedestrian mall out of the downtown segment of Granville Street. The length of the street turned into a lawless ghetto, any decent retail outlet moved on, many vacant storefronts.

These homeless people, presumably have a reason for locating themselves in the downtown core of Penticton. Is it to panhandle ? Sell, buy drugs ? So when the non-homeless people discontinue patronizing the downtown, do the homeless intend on begging from each other ?
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby soupy » Jun 6th, 2019, 1:03 pm

southy wrote:Perhaps - but how did that work with Paul?


Paul situation was handled poorly. Id have preferred to see him hauled into a cell each time he didn't move. Interrupt his lifestyle as much as possible.

Won't pay the fine? Community service it is.
Won't do the service? Suspend welfare, revoke shelter bed (if they have one).

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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby Mike Br. » Jun 6th, 2019, 1:12 pm

seewood wrote:I wonder what would the HA charge?


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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby Country plough boy » Jun 6th, 2019, 1:15 pm

Well usually they want half of whatever they are going after. Seeing as the targets have nothing. Im guessing it wouldnt be cheap. They would want payment up front. They might even decide to go after the guy who gave them the job
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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby dogspoiler » Jun 6th, 2019, 1:25 pm

Country plough boy wrote:Well usually they want half of whatever they are going after. Seeing as the targets have nothing. Im guessing it wouldnt be cheap. They would want payment up front. They might even decide to go after the guy who gave them the job

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Re: Sitting or Laying Down on Sidewalks Banned

Postby twobits » Jun 6th, 2019, 6:55 pm

southy wrote:I understand … however, after that then what? Issue them a $100 ticket they won't pay? Then after they don't pay it - then what? I am not sure if this process is really the way to go because I don't see anyway in that the city can actually enforce it for a positive outcome. Perhaps with our city folk being in Quebec they will gain some insight on how best to handle this. I actually applaud Julius Bloomfield who I believe stated the city should maybe wait till they attend this conference and see what is being done in other areas of Canada.


And IMHO, Julius has just aligned himself with the social worker we have as the top cop in town. Both need to be purged now.
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