A little question about electric cars

[Jlabute]

It’s funny to see on the same page of the forum people complaining about how they don’t like the idea of electric vehicles and will stick to gas.

And then another thread complaining about record gas prices. And how gas companies keep taking advantage of us here.

It's not as though many don't like the 'idea' of their ideal electric vehicle... heck, I like the (pause) 'idea' (pause) of an electric vehicle. I don't like the idea of my tax dollars subsidizing new vehicles only the rich home owners can afford so we can pretend we are helping the environment by pushing out substandard vehicles with lithium battery technology that will soon be obsoleted with little chance of retrofits. There's no benefit to the environment unless you keep your EV for more than 10 years powered from Hydro, Nuclear, or something not coal/gas/garbage. The money you spend on electricity saves you money only if you can find a used EV... that is a smart way to go... especially when battery packs are $12,000+. So, I probably dislike lithium in its current form more than the vehicle itself. If my gas vehicle had a $12,000 gas tank I'd probably hate it too, or if I had to pay $10,000 to upgrade to a slightly larger gas tank.

[Omnitheo]

obviously society has moved past that. Modern electric vehicles outperform most gas vehicles, and that’s with the technology still relatively new, let alone the culmination of 100 years of internal combustion engine technology. I don’t have a problem with people who don’t want to be early adopters. You don’t need to be. I haven’t bought a 4K tv yet, but in a few years it will be more affordable, better than anything I’ve owned before, and the expectation for most modern media formats. Electric cars are the same. 20 years from now you likely won’t be driving a gas vehicle, and you probably wouldn’t want to either.

[GordonH]

obviously society has moved past that. Modern electric vehicles outperform most gas vehicles, and that’s with the technology still relatively new, let alone the culmination of 100 years of internal combustion engine technology. I don’t have a problem with people who don’t want to be early adopters. You don’t need to be. I haven’t bought a 4K tv yet, but in a few years it will be more affordable, better than anything I’ve owned before, and the expectation for most modern media formats. Electric cars are the same. 20 years from now you likely won’t be driving a gas vehicle, and you probably wouldn’t want to either.

Exactly, I won't purchase until Hydrogen stations are in place.
Vehicle I plan on purchasing will bypass the need to be charged, just filled with hydrogen.

[Wave101]

"Fool cells"

[GordonH]

"Fool cells"

Please explain

[Jflem1983]

"Fool cells"

Please explain

See hindenberg disaster

[GordonH]

"Fool cells"

Please explain

See hindenberg disaster

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2 ... burgs.html

[dirtybiker]

Electric cars are the same. 20 years from now you likely won’t be driving a gas vehicle, and you probably wouldn’t want to either.

I'll agree with your analogy of affordability, with increased demand comes lower costs in mass production.

I'll always have my 2 strokes, gas pots and diesel burners though...well....20 yrs......we'll see...

Might be a passenger by then..... .... ....

[Jlabute]

obviously society has moved past that. Modern electric vehicles outperform most gas vehicles, and that’s with the technology still relatively new, let alone the culmination of 100 years of internal combustion engine technology. I don’t have a problem with people who don’t want to be early adopters. You don’t need to be. I haven’t bought a 4K tv yet, but in a few years it will be more affordable, better than anything I’ve owned before, and the expectation for most modern media formats. Electric cars are the same. 20 years from now you likely won’t be driving a gas vehicle, and you probably wouldn’t want to either.

Actually, the electric car has been around for 100 years too. As well as trollies and busses, etc. The problem then, as it is now, has always been energy density and storage. Electric motors have been around even longer. I like the performance of some electric motors... I can hardly wait until the time is right.
https://www.motoring.com.au/ev-revolution-100-years-of-the-electric-car-103038/

[Jlabute]

A potential issue with electric cars is the fragility of the batteries.

An accident and fatality involving a Tesla model X is under investigation. Lithium in battery chemistry is very dangerous and probably attributed to the deaths, just as much as their auto-pilot did. Tesla stock is currently tanking due to this, and their ability to deliver cars. I'd be more of a Chevy Bolt guy anyways when they are ready. Another problem with Lithium based batteries... it's tough making these things and fill orders on 10's of millions of vehicles. We can't make huge lithium batteries fast enough. Get your Tesla while you can.

Not sure if solid state lithium is the answer, although it helps with many issues such as charging speed, capacity, safety since there is no liquid electrolyte, and better longevity. Knowing the performance of existing batteries... I'd rather wait out the beginning of the bleeding edge adoption curve.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-crash-ntsb/ntsb-opens-probe-into-fatal-tesla-crash-fire-in-california-idUSKBN1H32OT

[GordonH]

Bumped up

I have a friend who works at dealership, he has mentioned to me that many of EV owners (not all) tend to be absolute holes towards staff.

Why is that I wonder?

[77TA]

Bumped up again.

What we knew all along, well except for ev kool-aid drinkers...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Business/ ... ge-narrows

[spooker]

Bumped up again.

What we knew all along, well except for ev kool-aid drinkers...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Business/ ... ge-narrows

Why are we surprised? If people are still convinced that driving is required and a for-profit company controls the energy then those profits will be made ... also brought into the "Mandatory EV Readiness" thread too

[77TA]

Bumped up again.

What we knew all along, well except for ev kool-aid drinkers...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Business/ ... ge-narrows

Why are we surprised? If people are still convinced that driving is required and a for-profit company controls the energy then those profits will be made ... also brought into the "Mandatory EV Readiness" thread too

"We" aren't surprised at all because driving is required for countless reasons. People that bought an ev because they "don't like paying for gas" are about to get an eye opener while people that don't mind waiting for their ev to charge because electricity is cheap are about to have time management issues...lol. Time is money after all.

[GordonH]

who’s saying this all along.