Gratuities in Kelowna - Can anyone explain?

[797hauler]

I got one more thing to add to the naysayers, While you complain about the amount of tips a server can make, you also need to realize servers make minimum wage, so by the time you factor in the tips, it will obviously average out differently depending on location, but it may only bring up the wage of the server to $14-16hr. In or around that range anyways. So when most people agreed on a past forum that the goverments proposed $17.44 per person in a dual income family wasnt enough, think of the server that only makes $9.50 hr. average with tips $14-16hr
And while moost people get sit down breaks, ALOT of servers are on there feet, literally ALL day, with no break. they usually take a sip of whatever it is they drink and away they go.


General minimum wage
•May 1, 2011 – $8.75 per hour;
• November 1, 2011 – $9.50 per hour;
• May 1, 2012 – $10.25 per hour.

(even lower if you serve booze)
Liquor servers

•May 1, 2011 - $8.50 per hour;
• November 1, 2011 - $8.75 per hour;
• May 1, 2012 - $9.00 per hour.

[Always Sunny]

Im glad I get to change the minds of a few select kelownians, on their tipping habits. its not going to change the worlds tipping habbits. So It doesnt bother me at all. You dont need to believe I word I say, and it doesnt hurt my feelings that any that you dont believe me so...

I did want to point out the OP did also ask what peoples opinions would be on tipping other industries like mcdonalds and gas jockeys and other costumer serviced based positions, Wheres their tip? whats your input on that?

And I want to Add nobodies show boating anything. I expressed what she makes in tips. And what servers who are in high traffic areas can make. I never said every server does make that. You think the girls at rileys pub on the west side make that a day? chances are not, and what she would make,do you think she claims her tips? chances are not. and if she claimed her tips would your tipping habbits be any different? and if anything. MOST people complain about the amount we are taxed now a day, well. Its taxed the seconed we spend the tip money, at the grocrey store, for our gas, bills, school clothes, ect ect... so the goverment is still getting there money, either way... so whats the big deal?

I think you guys are freaking out over a select few servers out there who are making decent amounts in tips and not claiming them. so you feel you shouldnt tip or tip considerably less based on this information. its gonna get taxed either way, at the end of the year or at the store, thats why they say the goverments always in our pockets

This is exactly the sort of attitude that makes me NOT want to tip. Some how this income is any different from the money I receive for doing my job? All if my income at some point is going to housing, transportation, food, bills, etc. where's my exemption?

Based on what you claim for wife makes, and surely what many other waiters/waitresses do as well...I make a very similar amount working two jobs. One is full time plus 2+ weeks spent on the road (out of town, away from friends/family, the comforts of home). The other fills my remaining evenings and weekends.

To be told that my hard earned income is going to go right into someone else's pocket without being treated as the income that it is...isn't right.

[waynetyea]

average wage in kelowna is 15-25k ontario and alts 75-150k

[Bsuds]

average wage in kelowna is 15-25k ontario and alts 75-150k

Not according to Stats Canada....http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=21

[797hauler]

This is exactly the sort of attitude that makes me NOT want to tip. Some how this income is any different from the money I receive for doing my job? All if my income at some point is going to housing, transportation, food, bills, etc. where's my exemption?

Based on what you claim for wife makes, and surely what many other waiters/waitresses do as well...I make a very similar amount working two jobs. One is full time plus 2+ weeks spent on the road (out of town, away from friends/family, the comforts of home). The other fills my remaining evenings and weekends.

To be told that my hard earned income is going to go right into someone else's pocket without being treated as the income that it is...isn't right.

You obviously didnt go back and read what I wrote in regards to being taxed the money when WE spend it on food, gas, bills school clothes .... even thought its not being taxed at the source, its till gets taxed...only once mind you, but its better then YOUR money getting taxed twice isnt? servers if not all of them, Im willing to bet, dont know how to do the deductions on the tip amount. Maybe the goverment can start a publicly funded program to teach servers to do the taxes on the tip amount, so servers can do the taxes right away on their tips , that way they dont have to put them (the tips) in the bank and wait all year to do their taxes.

and to you I say dont tip, stop all together.

[twofingers]

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[Roadster]

Easy tip for tips,,,
Any money you get that is not taxed before you get it but you will be claiming it,,,,
Put about 20% of it away, you probably cant go wrong that way and should have a few bucks left over when you yank it out to pay you taxes.

Meanwhile, I see you back tracking some,,,, now its about Kelowna and the wages here,,, well we know whats made here for wages but you have already left us spooked. Maybe they do make a huge chunk in tips but they wouldnt tell us that cos they are busy trying to guilt for more,,,

Besides, 16 bucks and hour is pretty good considerimg they came into it for 9ish, 10 an hour,,, right?
IMO it would be odd for them to expect 16 or more if they didnt give great service for it. I habe always gone into a job knowing what the wages were,,, then if bonuses or trips to courses all paid for or overtime shifts came along I was just a ten fold happier person for it but I didnt expect it. Some places we got a turkey for christmas, some places nothing, one place we got many things because our clients came to our office with gifts and we had so many we would raffel them off so ya never knew what you would get next. One year I got a humungus gift basket, a box of oranges, a 24 case of pop and a whole buncha other things I couldnt remember,,, oh a bottle of vodka too,,, and one year I got pastries from Italy,,, and many other things,,, not to be expected but it did happen every year while I was there because we had doctors, and many other specialists on our client list and they showed us once a year that we were appreciated.

[theyeti]

how many of u ppl that r whining about this guys wife making a cpl bucks tax free , how many of u even go out to eat

[797hauler]

Easy tip for tips,,,
Any money you get that is not taxed before you get it but you will be claiming it,,,,
Put about 20% of it away, you probably cant go wrong that way and should have a few bucks left over when you yank it out to pay you taxes.

Meanwhile, I see you back tracking some,,,, now its about Kelowna and the wages here,,, well we know whats made here for wages but you have already left us spooked. Maybe they do make a huge chunk in tips but they wouldnt tell us that cos they are busy trying to guilt for more,,,

Besides, 16 bucks and hour is pretty good considerimg they came into it for 9ish an hour,,, right?

well 29% is what is taxed, and for the recored roadster, in another forum "alberta workers" it was said that we would be moving back to bc, which we are in a month. so I used that as a primary place as we ARE coming home. with that said its still minimum wage, and it pays the same in alberta..

And I agree they do get hired at minimum wage, and it really does go, up with the tips when you span it over an hourly wage. However $16 isnt a alot. average really.

MY BIG question to all, is why do you care whether its taxed at the source or at a store, why do you want it taxed more often?

[Symbonite]

Ontario also has 13% HST, so not sure how that would change things. Personally,

Interesting as well...HST is a excuse...

Personally we dropped the ball on the HST and we should have kept it.

but that's another story

But like my Cousin that owns a restaurant says its not the HST that is bad. its people generally being cheap.

I personally don't tip...cause I think (which I get into arguments with my cousin) is that it is their job so that's what they get paid for and its up to the restaurant owner to pay better.

[twofingers]

Amen, bro!

[Always Sunny]

You obviously didnt go back and read what I wrote in regards to being taxed the money when WE spend it on food, gas, bills school clothes .... even thought its not being taxed at the source, its till gets taxed...only once mind you, but its better then YOUR money getting taxed twice isnt? servers if not all of them, Im willing to bet, dont know how to do the deductions on the tip amount. Maybe the goverment can start a publicly funded program to teach servers to do the taxes on the tip amount, so servers can do the taxes right away on their tips , that way they dont have to put them (the tips) in the bank and wait all year to do their taxes.

and to you I say dont tip, stop all together.

Actually I did read it. In fact, that's the exact portion I highlighted, if you read what I wrote.

Yes, I absolutely comprehend the fact that your purchases are taxed got it. However...MY PURCHASES are also taxed...but does that mean that MY INCOME is not taxed? Of course not. So why do you think that a waiter/waitresses income (via tips) does not need to be treated the same way as everyone elses?

Wait all year to do their taxes? You mean like the rest of us. What is with all of this special treatment?

how many of u ppl that r whining about this guys wife making a cpl bucks tax free , how many of u even go out to eat

Personally I eat out 50%+ of all of my meals. Single + working two jobs + being on the road 1/2 of my time = going out to eat a lot.

One person thinks they're exempt from the system = probably not a huge impact on any of our lives. But allow everyone to exempt themselves (because they're no less special) and it's a mess.

[797hauler]

Actually I did read it. In fact, that's the exact portion I highlighted, if you read what I wrote.

Yes, I absolutely comprehend the fact that your purchases are taxed got it. However...MY PURCHASES are also taxed...but does that mean that MY INCOME is not taxed? Of course not. So why do you think that a waiter/waitresses income (via tips) does not need to be treated the same way as everyone elses?

well her REGULAR INCOME is taxed, so why care about the tips? its gonna get taxed anyways.

Wait all year to do their taxes? You mean like the rest of us. What is with all of this special treatment?

get a grip of yourself, we still do taxes, but why should WE have to wait all year and bank the tips because WE dont know how the tax bracket works. I have no idea how much to put away and what we can spend, so it would have to be banked, or we could just spend it, and at the end of the year, do our taxes and claim the tips and end up paying through the teeth. you also can go wherever you please and ask every server if they know how much of their tips to save so they could do taxes correctly... most people will just laugh at you (and im not trying to be rude here)

Personally I eat out 50%+ of all of my meals. Single + working two jobs + being on the road 1/2 of my time = going out to eat a lot.

One person thinks they're exempt from the system = probably not a huge impact on any of our lives. But allow everyone to exempt themselves (because they're no less special) and it's a mess.

I dont think were excempt at all, in fact I used to get taxed $3-4 k a month working on a rig, think I ever complaind about it...NO.....would I tip my server less if i knew she didnt claim her tips......NO.... maybe she needs that extra cash to pay for her babies formula, milk, whatever.....


P.S you know who you shouldnt tip, the delivery driver, they get the $3.75 delivery charge, they get a second tip above and beyond what they just got for that charge.

How many of you knew that, and are you gonna tip your driver anymore?

[Always Sunny]

Why complain so passionately about servers paying taxes while you don't care about paying $3k-$4k a month in tax?

Where are you getting this figure of $3.75 from? Cora's does delivery?

If I choose to have my food delivered to my house rather than picking it up I'm prepared to pay a premium for it. If I think the driver was particularly friendly and efficient, I might just tip for that too.

Do I hope that they would claim their tips. You bet.

[twofingers]

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