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The problem with church

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Re: The problem with church

Postby zzontar » Nov 13th, 2012, 8:01 pm

grammafreddy wrote:I didn't mean THAT Kool-aid in particular, just the religious kool-aid in general. But the parents' religious beliefs made them give their kids THAT Kool-aid and made them drink it themselves.

Sure, there are all kinds of parents who abuse their children in all kinds of ways. Using religion to do it doesn't make it any righter, though.

Do you think terrorizing kids using religion is acceptable?


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Re: The problem with church

Postby Glacier » Nov 13th, 2012, 11:33 pm

cliffy1 wrote:Children are born innocent. They learn everything they know from adults and older children. We train our children with the reward and punishment fear based method. We domesticate them just like a dog or any other domestic animal.

Speak for yourself; I don't train my kids that way. As for kids learning everything from adults, it's simply not true. Many scientific studies have shown that kids at the very earliest stages of life are selfish and learn on their own how to lie and cheat.
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Re: The problem with church

Postby cliffy1 » Nov 14th, 2012, 8:08 am

Glacier wrote:Speak for yourself; I don't train my kids that way. As for kids learning everything from adults, it's simply not true. Many scientific studies have shown that kids at the very earliest stages of life are selfish and learn on their own how to lie and cheat.

You are trying to tell us that you never disciplined your children for "bad" behaviour or rewarded them for "good" behaviour. Maybe you didn't hit your kids but you did use some form of discipline to get them to stop lying and cheating. Children are born wild and we "teach" them what is acceptable behaviour in a "civilized" society. The methodology is irrelevant, it is still a system of reward and punishment, a form of domestication.
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