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Do things happen for a reason?

Postby Straight Shooter » Jan 27th, 2013, 9:58 pm

Do things happen for a reason or do things just happen? The Newtown Conn. school massacre of 27 people including 20 young innocent children comes to mind as does the suicide of 15 year old Amanda Todd and the list goes on and on. With tragedy's comes changes(sometimes) with new gun laws proposals and anti-bullying laws but is that enough to stop the madness that has reached epidemic proportions. If there was a god wouldn’t he stop this madness and make this a better world? I truly would want to believe.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby Glacier » Jan 27th, 2013, 10:09 pm

If God gives people free-will, and then stops them from raping and murdering people, did he really give them free-will?
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby goatboy » Jan 27th, 2013, 10:18 pm

Well, things do happen for a reason. The reason Newtown happened is because a mentally ill man was able to obtain access to firearms and then decided to take out his anger on innocent children. Anybody that thinks this is God's will is delusional. Does anyone else find it unreasonable that a God would allow something like that to happen while at the same time allowing "miracles" to happen?
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby fluffy » Jan 27th, 2013, 10:21 pm

Straight Shooter wrote:If there was a god wouldn’t he stop this madness and make this a better world? I truly would want to believe.


Maybe God's job description doesn't read quite the way you think it should.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby Liquidnails » Jan 27th, 2013, 10:26 pm

Are you talking about physical cause and effect, or about a higher power orchestrating events for a reason?

I think that for every so called act of evil there are thousands of acts of love and kindness. You'll rarely see those acts in the news though.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby dirtybiker » Jan 27th, 2013, 10:31 pm

Liquidnails wrote:
I think that for every so called act of evil there are thousands of acts of love and kindness. You'll rarely see those acts in the news though.


The Attilas,Hitlers and Hannibals are much more newsworthy than the Mother Theresas.

This has been going on since the advent of mankind.
Now there is media to bring it to the world as it happens
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby cliffy1 » Jan 28th, 2013, 2:10 pm

There are all sorts of reasons things happen. None of them have to do with a fictional character.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby Thinktank » Jan 28th, 2013, 5:40 pm

cliffy1 wrote:... things happen. None of them have to do with a fictional character.


That's true. It has everything to do with a non-fictioal character.

We were told to be good but we didn't listen.



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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby cliffy1 » Jan 28th, 2013, 6:40 pm

Thinktank wrote:That's true. It has everything to do with a non-fictioal character.

We were told to be good but we didn't listen.

No proof of existence makes it a fictional character. But we do have Karma: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Makes more sense than an insecure tyrant punishing people for not being prefect.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby Glacier » Jan 28th, 2013, 7:42 pm

:137: Who said god was punishing people? If I tell my child not to drive 200 km/h, and they do anyway, and kill someone in the process, is that my punishment for disobeying me?
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby cliffy1 » Jan 28th, 2013, 7:46 pm

Glacier wrote::137: Who said god was punishing people? If I tell my child not to drive 200 km/h, and they do anyway, and kill someone in the process, is that my punishment for disobeying me?

If they kill someone, it will not be you punishing them. Even if they did manage to "get away with it" - what goes around, comes around. It is natural law. There are no places called heaven or hell, it is all in our minds.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby Glacier » Jan 28th, 2013, 7:50 pm

Okay, then why did you bring in the false dichotomy? ie. "Makes more sense than an insecure tyrant punishing people for not being prefect."

ETA: Okay, I think you were talking about the eternal punishment/reward heaven/hell whereas this thread is about the here and now or the physical world (or at least I think its). In that case, ignore my above comment, and I apologize for the confusion.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby fluffy » Jan 29th, 2013, 6:40 am

Glacier wrote:...I think you were talking about the eternal punishment/reward heaven/hell whereas this thread is about the here and now or the physical world...


In a metaphorical sense, the concepts of heaven and hell can refer quite handily to the idea that our quality of life in the here and now is directly dependent on the way we choose to live it, again with the Karma thing, or the idea that continued sinning will land us in a living hell through guilt, shame, fear and all the other manifestations of an immoral life, just as living a "good" life has its rewards in joy and peace of mind. Maybe it's not the "afterlife" they were talking about?
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby zzontar » Jan 29th, 2013, 8:55 am

cliffy1 wrote:If they kill someone, it will not be you punishing them. Even if they did manage to "get away with it" - what goes around, comes around. It is natural law.


No proof that that's true also makes it fictional.
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Re: Do things happen for a reason?

Postby steven lloyd » Jan 29th, 2013, 6:22 pm

cliffy1 wrote: - what goes around, comes around. It is natural law.

Not true at all (and no more, or less credible an idea than an all supreme deity).
Good things happen to and for bad people and vice versa.
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