Gay rights and the church

[cliffy1]

Did you know the first man to get saved by grace in the New Testament was a gay man? Read about the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8.
Did you know Jesus never condemned gay people and never condemned gay partnerships? Jesus affirmed gay people in Matthew 19:11-12.
http://www.gaychristian101.com/

Giving voice to Conservative Gay Evangelicals

This should give the religious right the willies.

[grammafreddy]

Did you know the
first man to get
saved by grace in the New Testament was a gay man? Read about the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8.

Did you know Jesus never condemned gay people and never condemned gay partnerships?
Jesus affirmed gay people in Matthew 19:11-12.
http://www.gaychristian101.com/

Giving voice to Conservative Gay Evangelicals

This should give the religious right the willies.

Nah, they all have their ways of explaining "what Jesus meant". Hell, these things are written by mere men many years after the fact. They have no more idea about what Jesus meant than you or I do.

[averagejoe]

Did you know the first man to get saved by grace in the New Testament was a gay man? Read about the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8.
Did you know Jesus never condemned gay people and never condemned gay partnerships? Jesus affirmed gay people in Matthew 19:11-12.
http://www.gaychristian101.com/

Giving voice to Conservative Gay Evangelicals

This should give the religious right the willies.

Could you post what your reading? This what I found.

11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=KJV

Eunuchs

eu·nuch
   [yoo-nuhk] Show IPA
noun
a castrated man, especially one formerly employed by Oriental rulers as a harem guard or palace official.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eunuch

How do you read into this that the Ethiopian was gay?

[grammafreddy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch

The reference to "eunuchs" in Matthew 19:12 has been considered by some as referring to homosexual men, particularly in the case of those eunuchs "so born from their mother's womb".[50][51] Christians oppose this argument and state that the Bible's use of the word "eunuch" refers strictly to men incapable of sexual intercourse or reproduction, through either birth defect or castration[citation needed].

[cliffy1]

Could you post what your reading? This what I found.

11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=KJV

Eunuchs

eu·nuch
   [yoo-nuhk] Show IPA
noun
a castrated man, especially one formerly employed by Oriental rulers as a harem guard or palace official.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eunuch

How do you read into this that the Ethiopian was gay?

Poke around on the site. There is much more stuff on there. I was more interested in the line: Conservative Gay Evangelicals.
Sounded like an oxymoron to me. Thought it would evoke the willies in fundies.

[averagejoe]

Could you post what your reading? This what I found.

11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=KJV

Eunuchs

eu·nuch
   [yoo-nuhk] Show IPA
noun
a castrated man, especially one formerly employed by Oriental rulers as a harem guard or palace official.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eunuch

How do you read into this that the Ethiopian was gay?

Poke around on the site. There is much more stuff on there. I was more interested in the line: Conservative Gay Evangelicals.
Sounded like an oxymoron to me. Thought it would evoke the willies in fundies.

I can see why they castrated men who guarded harems. But still, nothing says anything about being gay.

[averagejoe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch

The reference to "eunuchs" in Matthew 19:12 has been considered by some as referring to homosexual men, particularly in the case of those eunuchs "so born from their mother's womb".[50][51] Christians oppose this argument and state that the Bible's use of the word "eunuch" refers strictly to men incapable of sexual intercourse or reproduction, through either birth defect or castration[citation needed].

Thanks Gramma, but it says considered. The verse Matthew 19:12 doesn't hint that the eunuchs are gay? I looked last night at different types of the Holy Bible. Of course I was expecting the newer versions of the Holy Bible to change the meaning. But didn't see any.

[5VP]

...and the pendulum(s) "swing(s)"...

[hellomynameis]

I believe nickd is tying to say that you, Kompili, and Peaceseeker make good bedfellows...

:coffeecanuck:

Awesome post is awesome =D

[5VP]

I don't have a problem with gays now wanting to be called Eunuchs.

It's less biblical sounding than Sodomite.

Seems there are still many gray areas regarding the definition of homosexuals especially when it come to the use of the bible by both camps.

[sooperphreek]

why are gays seeking rights in church in the first place? they have no place there anyways. just go to a rainbow festival and dress like a tool and thats your rights in all their glory.

[coffeeFreak]

why are gays seeking rights in church in the first place? they have no place there anyways. just go to a rainbow festival and dress like a tool and thats your rights in all their glory.

Are you F'ing kidding? :nutzoid: Can you back up this homophobic statement with a biblical quote from the New Testament?

Really not quite sure how any "christian" can rationalize this kind of thinking...

[Hmmm]

Can you back up this homophobic statement with a biblical quote from the New Testament?

Really not quite sure how any "christian" can rationalize this kind of thinking...

The new testament is very clear on the matter of homosexuality and it states that those who practice it will not enter into Gods Kingdom. Period. However, making unkind remarks as some do, is not called for and in fact there's also ample scripture to say, those who engage in that type of hateful speech, will also not enter into Gods Kingdom. Those who follow Christs example will. That's according to the Bible. Period.

[coffeeFreak]

Can you back up this homophobic statement with a biblical quote from the New Testament?

Really not quite sure how any "christian" can rationalize this kind of thinking...

The new testament is very clear on the matter of homosexuality and it states that those who practice it will not enter into Gods Kingdom. Period. However, making unkind remarks as some do, is not called for and in fact there's also ample scripture to say, those who engage in that type of hateful speech, will also not enter into Gods Kingdom. Those who follow Christs example will. That's according to the Bible. Period.

Okay, I concede it is probably in the New testament, and likely it was stated by Paul? Anyway, my issue is with the anal focus christians seem to have with homosexuality...why does this issue receive more judgement than other so called "sins".

Here's a list the "righteous" might want to attend to first, but then they might have to kick several of their congregation members out and then who will be left to tithe:

1 Adultery, 2 fornication, 3 uncleanness, 4 lasciviousness, 5 Idolatry, 6 witchcraft, 7 hatred, 8 variance, 9 emulations, 10 wrath, 11 strife, 12 seditions, 13 heresies, 14 Envyings, 15 murders, 16 drunkenness, 17 revellings 19 unrighteousness, fornication, 20 wickedness, 21 covetousness, 22 maliciousness; full of envy, murder, 23 debate, 24 deceit, 25 malignity; 26 whisperers, 27 Backbiters, 28 haters of God, 29 despiteful, 30 proud, 31 boasters, 32 inventors of evil things, 33 disobedient to parents, 34 Without understanding, 35 covenantbreakers, 36 without natural affection, 37 implacable, 38 unmerciful: 39 lawless and disobedient, 40 for the ungodly and 41 for sinners, 42 for unholy and profane, 43 for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For 44 whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, 45for menstealers, 46 for liars, 47 for perjured persons, 48 and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;49 fearful, and 50 unbelieving, and 51 the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and 52 sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; 53 whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.56 Thou shalt not steal, 57 Thou shalt not bear false witness; Honour thy father and thy mother: and, 58 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 59 filthiness, 60 nor foolish talking, 61 nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.And 62 do not be drunk with wine, which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit 63 proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, 64 an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, 65 foolishness:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=65069

[grammafreddy]

Here's a list the "righteous" might want to attend to first, but then they might have to kick several of their congregation members out and then who will be left to tithe:

1 Adultery, 2 fornication, 3 uncleanness, 4 lasciviousness, 5 Idolatry, 6 witchcraft, 7 hatred, 8 variance, 9 emulations, 10 wrath, 11 strife, 12 seditions, 13 heresies, 14 Envyings, 15 murders, 16 drunkenness, 17 revellings 19 unrighteousness, fornication, 20 wickedness, 21 covetousness, 22 maliciousness; full of envy, murder, 23 debate, 24 deceit, 25 malignity; 26 whisperers, 27 Backbiters, 28 haters of God, 29 despiteful, 30 proud, 31 boasters, 32 inventors of evil things, 33 disobedient to parents, 34 Without understanding, 35 covenantbreakers, 36 without natural affection, 37 implacable, 38 unmerciful: 39 lawless and disobedient, 40 for the ungodly and 41 for sinners, 42 for unholy and profane, 43 for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For 44 whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, 45for menstealers, 46 for liars, 47 for perjured persons, 48 and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;49 fearful, and 50 unbelieving, and 51 the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and 52 sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; 53 whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.56 Thou shalt not steal, 57 Thou shalt not bear false witness; Honour thy father and thy mother: and, 58 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 59 filthiness, 60 nor foolish talking, 61 nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.And 62 do not be drunk with wine, which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit 63 proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, 64 an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, 65 foolishness:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=65069

Okay, I'd say that lets every so-called Christian out .. and all their clergy, too. The red bold nails the Pope (amongst others on that list of sins). Goodbye, Pope! Y'all are burn in the lake of fire and brimstone.