Evolution or Creation?

[cutter7]

Creation. For me, evolution cannot be proved by any human alive or dead, simply because they weren't there. Creation however, shouts evidences and proof everywhere around us that a higher Being was the creator and designer of the intricacies of life.

Could you please give me an example of your proofs and evidences ?
God create Adam and Eve, they had 2 sons and then what ? I asked that question earlier.
So you don't believe in dinosaurs ?
The Bible was not written by God but by mere mortals. Were they there during the Creation ? Who was there ?

I pick creation over evolution because you can't evolve from dirt.. as soon as you can create life from a pile of dirt let me know.

adam and eve had more than two sons although i don't know how many children i can name 3 sons. cain abel and seth the bible does not mention how many kids they had.

The term "dinosaur" did not exist back then the bible used words like leviathon and behemoth.

We all know the bible was written by men. however it was written by different men in different places at different times all claiming divine guidance and all giving basically the same message.

Your ancestors were monkeys...get over it.

ancestors? i've got close relatives who wouldn't rate that high on the evolutionary scale. science still can't show the link tho

[JOF585]

I pick creation over evolution because you can't evolve from dirt.. as soon as you can create life from a pile of dirt let me know.

adam and eve had more than two sons although i don't know how many children i can name 3 sons. cain abel and seth the bible does not mention how many kids they had.

The term "dinosaur" did not exist back then the bible used words like leviathon and behemoth.

We all know the bible was written by men. however it was written by different men in different places at different times all claiming divine guidance and all giving basically the same message.

I thought evolution started in the water.
So you believe in incest ?
Dinosaurs were around millions of years ago. Creation was what ? 5000 years ago ?
So you believe in prophets. Sure were a lot of them back then, eh ?

[fluffy]

I thought evolution started in the water.

And look where we are today. That in itself is a pretty good argument against "intelligent design".

[cliffy1]

I think "sudden" is misleading.

In evolutionary time it was sudden. We spent hundreds of thousands of years wandering around hunting and gathering and a thousand years later we are building cities, farming and civilizations start spring up all over the place. Looks pretty sudden if you step outside of our usual idea of history, which isn't much more than the blink of an eye.

[cutter7]

I pick creation over evolution because you can't evolve from dirt.. as soon as you can create life from a pile of dirt let me know.

adam and eve had more than two sons although i don't know how many children i can name 3 sons. cain abel and seth the bible does not mention how many kids they had.

The term "dinosaur" did not exist back then the bible used words like leviathon and behemoth.

We all know the bible was written by men. however it was written by different men in different places at different times all claiming divine guidance and all giving basically the same message.

I thought evolution started in the water.
So you believe in incest ?
Dinosaurs were around millions of years ago. Creation was what ? 5000 years ago ?
So you believe in prophets. Sure were a lot of them back then, eh ?

where did life itself start? you cant evolve unless you are living. there is no evidence for one species evolving to another...none .

do I believe in incest? it exists are you trying to say it doesn't

where do you get that creation was 5000 years ago? the bible tells us that a thousand of our years is but a second to god whose measure of time are you using?

Yes i believe there were prophets..mohammud is called a prophet by his followers. whats your point?

[1nick]

I think "sudden" is misleading.

In evolutionary time it was sudden. We spent hundreds of thousands of years wandering around hunting and gathering and a thousand years later we are building cities, farming and civilizations start spring up all over the place. Looks pretty sudden if you step outside of our usual idea of history, which isn't much more than the blink of an eye.

A thousand years is a good amount of time to sort stuff out.Thats alot of generations of learning.
The Chinese believe they are desendants from *bleep* Erectus not *bleep* Sapiens.
There's no concrete evidence that Erectus died out.
Looking at the pyhsical caricatures of modern people I believe *bleep* Erectus evolved/mingled with *bleep* Sapiens.

[5VP]

This site existed before the pyramids and was built when our ancestors were all supposedly hunter gatherers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -Eden.html

A laboratory??

[zzontar]

This site existed before the pyramids and was built when our ancestors were all supposedly hunter gatherers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -Eden.html

A laboratory??

Very interesting.

[averagejoe]

This site existed before the pyramids and was built when our ancestors were all supposedly hunter gatherers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -Eden.html

A laboratory??

Good find! Thanks for sharing.

[cutter7]

This site existed before the pyramids and was built when our ancestors were all supposedly hunter gatherers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -Eden.html

A laboratory??

yes, excellent post. thanks

[Process]

Well, if this is a literal Garden of Eden, then the art should portray dinosaurs, including vegetarian T Rexs. I guess it's an amazing discovery if you hold the opinion that people at the time were just knuckle draggers, but that's far from the truth. People had sophisticated culture and art long before this point, as suggested by cave art in many European locales. Have a look at art from Lascaux, or a more recent site at Chavet Cave, which was dated at ~30,000 yr B.P. ( https://www.google.ca/search?q=chauvet+ ... 29&bih=738 ). The art is subtle and sophisticated - I couldn't match a lot of it in a month of Sundays. It's an excellent record of what was seen in the region - and note that there are no dinosaurs depicted there either. The art at Chavet Cave was the topic of a documentary that came out last year in the theaters (even here in Kelowna) called "Cave of Forgotten Dreams". I have the blu ray if anyone wants to borrow it - it's a great way to share the visions of some truly ancient peoples, who predate the "Garden of Eden" site mentioned by ~18,000 years, leaving plenty of time for people to learn some new tricks.

[Process]

BTW, I am always surprised to find in these sorts of discussions the fact that DNA analysis, used to convict criminals, supports evolution. UBC has a number of researchers who work in the field - as do other major universities. However, no credible scientists examine Garden of Eden sites, nor (literallly interpreted) biblical flood sediments or landforms.

[MechanicMan]

I believe in literal Biblical Creationism. I am not a scientist, but do read the scientific Journal of Creation, and many publications put out by the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) and do believe that these Scientist do put forward a very convincing case for Creation. This is a list of Scientists alive today who accept a literal account of creation: Obviously a list like this proves nothing..I only post it to show that there is a large group in todays scientific community who think it perfectly rational to hold to literal biblical creation, and who do a pretty good job at building a scientific case for it in their publications and papers.

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics)
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr George F. Howe, Botany
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (1945–2012)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr John Sanford, Geneticist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (1923–2012)
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

[JLives]

If they believe in a literal biblical creation they are not true scientists. The Earth is 4.5ish billion years old.

[Glacier]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman