Re: A saw and a man
Posted: Feb 9th, 2013, 12:05 pm
WhatThe wrote: I will stand against anyone who tells me they are right and I am wrong when it comes to spiritual matters.
As you should
WhatThe wrote: I will stand against anyone who tells me they are right and I am wrong when it comes to spiritual matters.
Glacier wrote:Are you talking about the only religion converts by force (I use religion lightly since it's actually only 10% religion and 90% political), or are you talking about all the other religions out there that proselytize, but want you to believe what they believe by your own free will?
Sneaksuit wrote:Are you suggesting that there's only one religion whose believers use force to proselytize?
Secondly, how are you distinguishing what's religious and what's political in your 10:90 ratio?
cliffy1 wrote:The insinuation was quite obvious, but totally biased. The Christian religious right are just as nuts and willing to force their beliefs on everybody else as any other fanatical religious group.
Sneaksuit wrote:Are you suggesting that there's only one religion whose believers use force to proselytize?
Secondly, how are you distinguishing what's religious and what's political in your 10:90 ratio?
Glacier wrote:I am suggesting that there is only one religion that teaches forced conversion.
Glacier wrote:Not biased, just logical. Ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali (a victim of female genital mutilation who needs body guards everywhere she goes) if they are the same.
Glacier wrote:Absolutely every religion, race, creed, and what-have-you has their nuts, but a religion that explicitly tells its followers to "kill infidels wherever you find them" is different from all other religions.
Glacier wrote:The 10:90 ratio comes from Vermenulen, former president of the European Union of Arabists and Islamists, said that Islam is 10 percent religion, while 90 percent deals with how people have to behave in accordance with the Islamic law based on divine revelations Muhammad received when he was a political leader in Medina. While there is no problem with setting rules about how people should pray and how they should fast, Vermeulen says, Islam becomes problematic when it tries to impose -as Allah says it must - Islamic holy law on the whole of society, including on non-Muslims. He explains, "In Islam you can't eat à la carte, you have to take the whole menu."
"Islam classically demands a political realization, and specifically one in which Islam rules over all other religions, ideologies and competing political visions," writes Australian theologian Mark Durie. He adds, "Islam is not unique in having a political vision or speaking to politics, but it is unique in demanding that it alone must rule the political sphere."
The influential twentieth-century Islamic spiritual leader Abul Ala Maududi freely acknowledged that "Islam is an ideology" because it demands that the state be regulated according to Islamic law. "The five pillars of Islam," Maududi said, "cry out for a State to exist in order for their full establishment to be achieved. This is the nature of Islam as it is an ideology."
Using Islamic prayer as an example, Maududi complained that "today, no ruler in the world treats the prayer as an obligation protected by the state's law and enforced by the judiciary and police. Rather the principles of 'free-choice' and 'freedom of worship' are preferred over Allah's command. This only proves that for the prayer to be fully implemented requires the apparatus of the state which creates the atmosphere where prayer is understood to be an obligation and optional." Indeed, Islam's most important goal, it's ultimate ambition, is the establishment of a worldly state, a global political empire: the Caliphate, to whose authority all of mankind -Muslims and non-Muslims alike - are subjected.
Read the book Marked for Death by Geert Wilders for a more thorough explaination.
Sneaksuit wrote:Joshua was commanded by God to rape
Glacier wrote:Rape? You're kidding right?
Glacier wrote: neither the Bible nor the example of Christ's life commanded Christians to kill unbelievers.
Sneaksuit wrote: "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
Both the Quran and the Hebrew bible demand genital mutilation for males, not females.
Glacier wrote:Circumcision is not genital mutilation
Mutilate:
1: to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect <the child mutilated the book with his scissors>
2: to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of
Genital:
1: generative
2: of, relating to, or being a sexual organ
3: of, relating to, or characterized by the stage of psychosexual development in psychoanalytic theory during which oral and anal impulses are subordinated to adaptive interpersonal mechanisms
Graham Adder wrote:You're joking, right?
You've GOT to be joking.
Anything less just depletes the value of your post.
Glacier wrote:Ha ha. you know what I meant though.
Graham Adder wrote:No, I don't think I do.
What am I missing?