The Talmud - is a good book?

[Thinktank]

Here's what Christians say: Dearly beloved, there may come a time when, like Stephen, we may have to make the ultimate sacrifice - to die for the sake of our commitment to Christ.

Here's what Christians do: They laugh behind people's backs. They lie cheat and steal. And $10.00
is more important to Christians, than anything else. In real life no christian would give their life for anything,
yet they say it a lot. Every Sunday they say Jesus did a great thing by giving his life. Paul also said it's great to give your life for your faith.

[Ka-El]

The facts are; most criticism of the Bible is based on what people heard from others or what they PRESUME is in the Bible and other religious books.

That’s quite the presumption.

[youjustcomplain]

hmmm.

I'm not as well versed as Cliffy might be in any holy book. I don't believe in such gods, so I see little point in reading all about them. That aside...

Genesis 22:2-18
My understanding is that some dude hears god tell him to murder his son, so without a second thought he goes and prepares to murder him. God then intervenes in the murder and rewards the guy for being so willing to murder his son.

AS-Saaffat 37:102-108
The English translation I read states a few minor differences but doesn't impact the context. In both stories, it's spoken like a virtue to murder your children out of fear of god.

Maybe its my ignorance of the bible, which is only matched by my ignorance of the Quran. In any case, I see striking similarities and take the same thing away from each; If god tells you to murder your kids, you better be prepared to do it. If God intervenes, then you better go kill a goat.... I'm uncertain why killing my kid or a goat will help anything, but that's the lesson I get from the stories.

[Hmmm]

^^^^ muslims follow supposedly the first 5 books of the Bible and so some of their stories are actually from the bible. It’s different then saying that a religion is claiming to be their own and yet has remarkably similar writings. This in fact isn’t true.

[Thinktank]

^^^^ muslims follow supposedly the first 5 books of the Bible....

so what do you know about the Talmud? Is it really as filthy as people are saying?

[Hmmm]

^^^^ I already stated that I would never waste my time on it. I know what it is , oral rabbinic teachings put in writing.

[Thinktank]

^^^^ I already stated that I would never waste my time on it.

I remember the time I had some Brigham Young (Utah) pamphlets, and my Jehovah's Witness friend refused to look
inside those pamphlets. It was like he thought they were cursed or something.
Even back then, I wanted to learn about the Mormons, and now I want to learn
about that weird book - the Talmud.

But so far - there is not one Talmud expert on this thread.

Wow.

[Ka-El]

But so far - there is not one Talmud expert on this thread.

Wow.

discuss

[Thinktank]

discuss

from the Talmud?
R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance;2 it is our inheritance, not theirs.3 Then why is this not included in the Noachian laws? — On the reading morasha [an inheritance] he steals it; on the reading me'orasah [betrothed], he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned.

- This can't be true ^^^. Do the Jews consider non-Jews to be heathens? Maybe Daria can answer this one.

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/ ... in_59.html

[cliffy1]

The Sumerian and bible connection. Why are we not taught this stuff in school?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=643&v=-zXNLAFAg_I

[averagejoe]

The Sumerian and bible connection. Why are we not taught this stuff in school?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=643&v=-zXNLAFAg_I

Gee Cliffy...great video!

[Thinktank]

A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death,

I never did like the Old Testament. I never read it. I can't stand it.

... Paul was an idiot and screwed the whole thing up.

In romans 16 Paul says:
Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.

^^^That's stupid. Paul is trying to say it's a good thing when someone gives his life for another person. Was Paul a Jew?
anyone know?

Wow. But the bible is still a good book...... even though 99% of it is pretty much useless for people today. Should Christians eat natural foods only? It's not in the bible. Instead, some guy is saying how good it is when a Gentile gives his life for a jew.


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[Ka-El]

I never did like the Old Testament. I never read it. I can't stand it.

if you never read it how do you know you can't stand it ???

[Thinktank]

if you never read it how do you know you can't stand it ???

I realized I can't stand the Old Testament when I found out the Talmud says gentiles who
study it should be put to death.

[Ka-El]

I realized I can't stand the Old Testament when I found out the Talmud says gentiles who study it should be put to death.

So you’ve decided to convert to Judaism then?