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John the baptist

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 11:03 am

Anyone wanna talk about who this guy was. Why he baptized Jesus. How that must be difficult for the church leaders to deal with.
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Re: John the baptist

Postby Ka-El » Dec 22nd, 2017, 2:44 pm

Jflem1983 wrote: How that must be difficult for the church leaders to deal with.

:135: I've not aware of any difficulties experienced by the Church in explaining John the Baptist's role in the story of Christ.
Do you have an example of any such difficulty?
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Re: John the baptist

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 2:50 pm

Ka-El wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote: How that must be difficult for the church leaders to deal with.

:135: I've not aware of any difficulties experienced by the Church in explaining John the Baptist's role in the story of Christ.
Do you have an example of any such difficulty?



Doesnt it seem odd that someone would baptise the living son of god
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Re: John the baptist

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 3:06 pm

There are a few esoteric paintings by DaVinci and others that allude to this oddity. I will try and find a few.
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Re: John the baptist

Postby gman313 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 3:24 pm

he was a guy who put people into lakes and made money for it.

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Re: John the baptist

Postby Ka-El » Dec 22nd, 2017, 4:14 pm

Jflem1983 wrote: Doesnt it seem odd that someone would baptise the living son of god

Nope. Why would it? :135:
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Re: John the baptist

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 4:22 pm

Maybe its not odd. I think it is.
Here is why i think so


If Jesus was the Messiah. The son of God.
Who gave John the baptist power to baptise Jesus.

In church isnt a baptism done to bring someone into a church.
By being baptized by John the baptist would that suggest Jesus was part of Johns flock ?

The picture im looking for is of the Virgin Marry holding a baby John the baptist. While Jesus also a baby is kinda just looking on. Said to be blessing John the baptist.

Sorry i must digress i was doing some reading last night about some of this stuff so there are a bunch of jumbled thoughts in my head.

I was more trying to get otger peoples thoughts on the guy.


It appears he has been nearly scrubbed from history.
That is part of why i feel the church is afraid of him possibly.

One might think a guy who apparently baptized Jesus. Would be more revered today ?

For what its worth. I am of no religious affiliation. Just interested.
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Re: John the baptist

Postby Ka-El » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:03 pm

All I know (remember) is that John was a prophet who foretold the coming of Jesus. According to scripture (as far as I can remember) he felt undeserving to baptize Jesus. However, Jesus had him baptize him anyway. It is just part of the story - although I am sure there are practising Christians here on these threads who could elucidate us further.
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Re: John the baptist

Postby SuperMom » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:22 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:In church isnt a baptism done to bring someone into a church.
By being baptized by John the baptist would that suggest Jesus was part of Johns flock ?




In most Christian churches baptism is not to bring someone into a church. Baptism is a public expression of one's faith and decision to follow Christ.

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Re: John the baptist

Postby Ka-El » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:27 pm

SuperMom wrote: Baptism is a public expression of one's faith and decision to follow Christ.

:135: Quite the bit to be putting on newborn babies, isn't it?

(ya, I got baptized. I thought it was my ticket to heaven)
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Re: John the baptist

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:29 pm

John only baptised adults . Who came by choice to him. He was known far and wide. Lived during Jesus time apparently .
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Re: John the baptist

Postby SuperMom » Dec 22nd, 2017, 6:19 pm

Ka-El wrote:
SuperMom wrote: Baptism is a public expression of one's faith and decision to follow Christ.

:135: Quite the bit to be putting on newborn babies, isn't it?

(ya, I got baptized. I thought it was my ticket to heaven)


Not all churches believe in infant baptism. Many believe it is a decision that individuals make for themselves.

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Re: John the baptist

Postby averagejoe » Dec 22nd, 2017, 6:24 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:John only baptised adults . Who came by choice to him. He was known far and wide. Lived during Jesus time apparently .


Weren't John and Jesus cousins?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.

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Re: John the baptist

Postby averagejoe » Dec 22nd, 2017, 6:26 pm

Here is something...

How Were Jesus and John the Baptist Related?
Jesus' mother, Mary, and John's mother, Elizabeth, were relatives (Luke 1:36). The old King James Version of the Bible says they were cousins, but the word "cousin" used to mean any relative in the 17th century when the KJV was written. They may have been cousins, or because of the age difference, Elizabeth might have been Mary's aunt.

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http://www.christianbiblereference.org/ ... aptist.htm
Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.

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Re: John the baptist

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 6:41 pm

I found this pic. But its not the one i was looking for. It shows them together as youth though.
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