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An amazing fact.

Postby Nibs » Nov 22nd, 2012, 4:03 pm

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration summarizes October 2012:

The average temperature across land and ocean surfaces during October was 14.63°C (58.23°F). This is 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average and ties with 2008 as the fifth warmest October on record. The record warmest October occurred in 2003 and the record coldest October occurred in 1912. This is the 332nd consecutive month with an above-average temperature.

Emphasis added. If you were born in or after April 1985, if you are right now 27 years old or younger, you have never lived through a month that was colder than average. That’s beyond astonishing.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 22nd, 2012, 4:23 pm

and how well did NOAA record temperatures 27 years ago? This smells like more manufactured nonsense to me.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby Nibs » Nov 22nd, 2012, 5:48 pm

May come as a surprize, but there have been accurate thermometers since long before you were born.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby Gilchy » Nov 23rd, 2012, 12:47 pm

Can we have one global warming/climate change thread? Instead of a new one for each factoid?
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby grammafreddy » Nov 23rd, 2012, 1:01 pm

Nibs wrote:The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration summarizes October 2012:

The average temperature across land and ocean surfaces during October was 14.63°C (58.23°F). This is 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average and ties with 2008 as the fifth warmest October on record. The record warmest October occurred in 2003 and the record coldest October occurred in 1912. This is the 332nd consecutive month with an above-average temperature.

Emphasis added. If you were born in or after April 1985, if you are right now 27 years old or younger, you have never lived through a month that was colder than average. That’s beyond astonishing.


Average = the highest and the lowest rounded to the middle.

Some people lived in the highest and some lived in the lowest. So some people within the past 27 years HAVE lived through months that were warmer or colder than the average.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby JagXKR » Nov 27th, 2012, 5:06 am

Let's see now. Penticton had a colder than average month Feb, Apr, May, June, July and Nov of 2011. Colder than average May, June and Nov 2010. Colder than average year in 2008, 1998 and low and behold one of the coldest average temps for an entire year in the history of Penticton happened 27 years ago in 1985!
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby Nibs » Nov 27th, 2012, 11:50 am

There is no point in dscussing climate change with people who don't understand the difference between climate and weather.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby Nibs » Nov 27th, 2012, 11:53 am

Gilchy wrote:Can we have one global warming/climate change thread?


Global warming, AKA climate change is the most significant event in the history of humans. It is probably going to impact all of the people to live on earth for the next few thousand years. It needs to be examined in detail and acted upon in the most urgent way.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 27th, 2012, 3:29 pm

Nibs wrote:
Global warming, AKA climate change is the most significant event in the history of humans. It is probably going to impact all of the people to live on earth for the next few thousand years. It needs to be examined in detail and acted upon in the most urgent way.


Indeed - changes in climate will always and have always affected the species alive at that particular time in history - if not then dinosaurs would still be roaming the earth. The only significance of the alarmists and doomsayers still clinging to the failed hypothesis that man generated CO2 is having any affect on climate, will be for the history books to examine how this massive fraud was perpetrated on western civilization, and also the sociologists and psychologists in years to come will have a fertile plain to work with in terms of studying how gullible people were to fall for this fraud. Mass psychology combined with guilt and the eternal yearning of man to have some kind of religion or cause - the Church of Global Warming has replaced traditional religion in a lot of people's lives, and what I find the most hilarious is that the most voracious anti-religion types are the ones that have fallen for the AGW scam the hardest. A cry for help no doubt?
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Re: An amazing fact.

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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby Glacier » Nov 28th, 2012, 3:04 pm

If You're 27 Or Younger You've Almost Certainly Experienced Many Colder-Than-Average Months

A story at Grist claiming no one under 27 has experienced a colder-than-average month is alarmist and misleading.

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Grist has a post up which takes a look at NOAA climate data for October. They pull up this passage adding emphasis to the last line:
The average temperature across land and ocean surfaces during October was 14.63°C (58.23°F). This is 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average and ties with 2008 as the fifth warmest October on record. The record warmest October occurred in 2003 and the record coldest October occurred in 1912. This is the 332nd consecutive month with an above-average temperature.


“If you were born in or after April 1985, if you are right now 27 years old or younger, you have never lived through a month that was colder than average,” writes Philip Bump. “That’s beyond astonishing.”

It’s beyond astonishing primarily because it’s only half-true. The line Bump emphasized is referring to the “average temperature across land ocean surfaces” which means it’s a figure that applies to total global averages over the past 332 months. The way Bump is reading this—or at least the way he is conveying it—is that for 27 years no month anywhere on earth has been colder-than average.

This is not even remotely the case, though it certainly makes for an astonishing, alarmist headline.


Take, for instance, Northwest Ohio. This October marked the third consecutive colder-than-average month for the area. For the U.S. as a whole, October broke a 16-month warm streak. Turns out for the citizens of the United States this past month was colder-than-average, though the year as a whole will be warmer-than-average.

I don’t doubt that climate change is real and man-made and that the earth is growing ever warmer; nor do I doubt the possible ramifications of this process.

But alarmist headlines that are so obviously misleading will not help further the cause. I mean, this headline may be shocking, and it will almost certainly be spread across the internet and across social media with gasps of indignation. But enough people will recall living through colder-than-average months that they’ll go and do a quick Google search and discover it’s not quite true.

And this will give ammunition to those who would write off a warming planet as little more than a hoax. Alarmism has no place in a discussion of science. We should leave that to 24-hour cable news pundits.

A proper headline would declare that global average temperatures have been above average for the past 332 months.
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Re: An amazing fact.

Postby ForestfortheTrees » Nov 28th, 2012, 3:09 pm

Glacier wrote:I don’t doubt that climate change is real and man-made and that the earth is growing ever warmer; nor do I doubt the possible ramifications of this process.

But alarmist headlines that are so obviously misleading will not help further the cause. I mean, this headline may be shocking, and it will almost certainly be spread across the internet and across social media with gasps of indignation. But enough people will recall living through colder-than-average months that they’ll go and do a quick Google search and discover it’s not quite true.

And this will give ammunition to those who would write off a warming planet as little more than a hoax. Alarmism has no place in a discussion of science. We should leave that to 24-hour cable news pundits.

A proper headline would declare that global average temperatures have been above average for the past 332 months.


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