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130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Nibs » Nov 20th, 2012, 8:42 am

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — More than 130 scientists from Iowa colleges and universities say this year's drought is consistent with a warmer climate predicted as part of global climate change and more droughts can be expected.

Scientists and researchers from 27 Iowa colleges and universities signed the Iowa Climate Statement released Monday. It says a warming climate causes wet years to be wetter and dry years to be hotter and dryer. Those extremes lead to more flooding and drought, and Iowa has experienced both in recent years.

The state was hard hit this year when drought spread across two-thirds of the country.

The scientists say warming will continue as global emissions increase and greenhouse gases accumulate, and they expect a growing number of droughts as soon as the 2020s.
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Nebula » Nov 20th, 2012, 9:31 am

I'm having a hard time with this. There's 130 scientists in Iowa? Really?
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Glacier » Nov 20th, 2012, 11:07 am

I can't speak for Iowa, but I do know for a fact that the worst drought the Okanagan has ever experienced (by a country mile) was between 1929 to 1931.

The wettest period in Okanagan history was between 1996 and 1999.
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 22nd, 2012, 11:32 am

Glacier wrote:I can't speak for Iowa, but I do know for a fact that the worst drought the Okanagan has ever experienced (by a country mile) was between 1929 to 1931.

The wettest period in Okanagan history was between 1996 and 1999.


Shhh....that was when CO2 levels in the atmosphere weren't as high as they are now (supposedly - no one measured these things back then, they were too busy being productive and not trying to run scams via scaring people) so obviously, that drought and high temperatures back in the 1930's never happened. Much like the Medieval Warm Period. The earth never got above 20C anywhere until the 1980's, specifically 1988, when this whole scam was first conceived.
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Nibs » Nov 22nd, 2012, 11:40 am

Hundreds of thousands of data points, including accurate historical measurements of the rate of increases in CO2, increases in ocean acidity and temperature, can hardly be called a scam. Every gallon of oil burned releases 14,000 BTU's into the environment.
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Artofthedeal » Nov 22nd, 2012, 12:07 pm

Nibs wrote:
The scientists say warming will continue as global emissions increase and greenhouse gases accumulate, and they expect a growing number of droughts as soon as the 2020s.


So now its the 2020's eh? By then the scam artists will have moved on, and everyone will have forgotten about yet another dire prediction of the future that never happened. Will any of these scientists be held to account for being so wrong? Of course not. Paul Ehrlich wrote a book back in the 1960's stating that in the 1970's we were all going to die. It was a poorly conceived, idiotic book, but panicky idiots everywhere went nuts over it. His dire predictions never came true, and he should have gone on to live in obscurity and disgrace, but the left-wing media still calls this clown an "eminent scientist". It's a joke. And a massive scam. Fear mongers like Ehrlich, and these fools in Iowa, shouldn't be lauded or listened to, they should be laughed at. Weren't the islands in the Pacific, like Tuvalu, all supposed to be under water by now? Oh right, that was the scam for 2007. Everyone has moved on from that one to the next scare that is more top of mind, like droughts in the US. Anything to scare people, and keep the door open on the funds for "research". In reality, its all just a bunch of fear-mongering nonsense.

Here's what they said was in store for Britain in the year 2000. Too bad that never happened either...

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 24017.html
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Nibs » Nov 24th, 2012, 4:21 pm

*off-topic/Jo*
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 25th, 2012, 10:15 pm

Obama's Green-sharia Economic and Political Agenda Relies On Climate Distortions, Misrepresentations & Lies - 2012 Drought An Example

The Obama administration has infected many U.S. agencies with green-sharia bureaucrats attempting to "stone" the American economy into submission with its anti-growth, anti-job and anti-scientific CO2 policies - symptoms of this green-radical agenda include exaggerating the uniqueness and severity of extreme recent weather events, such as the 2012 drought.

Using NOAA's online climate empirical evidence tools, the above charts easily counter the U.S. taxpayer funded green-fundamentalist scientists' claims that the drought of 2012 was "unique", "unprecedented" or "without equal."

Well prior to modern era's massive growth in consumer/industrial CO2 emissions, severe droughts had frequently plagued major areas of the U.S. The above Y-T-D through October NOAA precipitation charts, for a variety of pre-1960 years, factually demonstrate this.

Note on 'Green-sharia': Global warming alarmists and anti-CO2 advocates embody a green belief system that closely resembles an anti-science theology, primarily based on flaky, cult-like doomsday scenarios. Like any group of cultists, they are extremely gullible in regards to authoritarian fear-mongering, to the point of idolatry fanaticism. Not only do these fundamentalists reject any empirical evidence that questions their green ideology, they will aggressively attack and smear any heretic/skeptic who challenges their beliefs. It's bad enough that these ideologue zealots are constantly proselytizing about their doomsday scenarios to the unwary, but like the the worst-of-the-worst religious extremists, they want to force everyone to kowtow to their fundamentalism - in essence, the imposition of their green-sharia.


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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Glacier » Nov 27th, 2012, 12:10 am

To be fair though, drought is a function of both precipitation and temperature. Yes, all those other years have been at least as dry in terms of precipitation, but 2012 has been much warmer. Therefore, 2012 is likely the driest of the lot.


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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby hobbyguy » Nov 27th, 2012, 12:51 pm

Well here's my favorite bit of data regarding climate change:

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/400000yrfig.htm

Reading through the discussion, it is easy to see how CO2 level and Temperature links can be controversial.

That said, if I look at the troughs of the temperature graph, the warming appears to be preceded by an increase in CO2 levels. Plus if I look at current day CO2 levels, they are "off the chart".

So that leads to a suspicion that we are in for a rough ride. CO2 seems to precede temperature spikes so that supports the suspicion that CO2 could exacerbate warming, and coupled with the "off the chart" CO2 level - a source of concern. That concern could be very dangerous.

Given that we know fossil fuel dependency has a finite limit (the resources are not infinite) it makes sense to be investing in alternatives anyway and learn to embrace them. Beats the heck out of sticking our heads in the sand over the CO2-temperature link controversy and doing nothing.
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Re: 130 Iowa scientists link drought to global warming.

Postby Neroicco » Nov 27th, 2012, 1:58 pm

Came across this interesting (and scary) video of a TedX talk that summarises the topic fairly succinctly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pznsPkJy ... e=youtu.be
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