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Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby oneh2obabe » Jan 15th, 2013, 4:28 am

Dana Flavelle
Business Reporter

One of the oldest names in bicycles will cease production in Canada by the end of this year.

Citing increased competition from offshore suppliers, Raleigh Canada said it will be shutting its plant in Waterloo, Que.

About 100 production staff will not be recalled at the end of the seasonal layoff in June 2013, the company said.

The facility will remain open and serve as a distribution, warehouse and service centre, the company said Monday.

“We’ve been trying to stay a domestic manufacturer,” Chris Enoksen, president of Raleigh Canada, said in a telephone interview with The Star. “Unfortunately, our customers have been moving their business to suppliers offshore.”

The Raleigh name, originally founded in the United Kingdom, is 125 years old and has been in Canada for the past 75 years.

Until 1973, the company imported its bikes from Britain.

The Quebec-based manufacturing plant was its only Canadian facility. At its peak, the plant employed about 300 people, Enoksen said.

But production had been in decline for the past five years, the company said.

From 2014, Raleigh said it will be working with selected offshore suppliers to serve its Canadian needs.

“Raleigh is proud to have maintained bicycle manufacturing and assembly operations in Canada longer than other major competitors, who left this field years ago,” Enoksen said in a statement released earlier in the day.

Raleigh brands are carried in independent bicycle shops and also mass retailers.

Very few bicycles are mass produced in Canada anymore, Enoksen said.

“There remain some smaller manufacturers in Canada doing more high-end specialty bikes,” he said.

Raleigh Canada is owned by the Accell Group in the Netherlands.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article ... -in-canada
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby hobbyguy » Jan 15th, 2013, 10:49 am

The slow drip of globalization and "free" trade inexorably tearing at the fabric of this country.

There used to be a lot of political attention paid to preventing Canada and Canadians from being reduced to "hewers of wood and drawers of water". Mulroney started attacking it, and we have gone downhill to the point where all we will have left is the resource industries - which Harper is happily selling off to China.
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby SurplusElect » Jan 15th, 2013, 4:01 pm

The powers that be keep on saying how awesome the Canadian economy is doing.

They must be talking about Nexen shareholders.

We don't even manufacture bicycles in Canada anymore. I have a 1978 Sekine 10 speed, made in Canada.

In the early seventies, perhaps even late sixties, the Canadian government, feeling pressure from a major domestic bicycle manufacturer who happened to have a bit of a strangle hold on the Canadian bicycle market at the time, elected to impose an import tariff on bicycles coming into the country. In an effort to avoid this twenty-five percent tax, Sekine Cycles opened shop in Oo-za-we-Kwun Rivers, in the province of Manitoba. Sekine Cycles’ period of little challenged prosperity was short lived. The Canadian government saw fit to lower the tariff on bicycle imports, from 25% to 15%, in 1975. This encourage a new rush of imports, which proved to be bad news for Sekine Canada, as well as other domestic bicycle manufacturers of the time


We used to fight globalization until the people who owned the politicians started seeing those "factory closing profits" and got greedy.

We have such low taxes and are apparently very business friendly (under the Conservatives) - why are no bikes made in Canada?
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby Captain Awesome » Jan 15th, 2013, 4:10 pm

Hello boatloads of bikes coming from China straight to Canadian Tire and Costco.
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby twobits » Jan 16th, 2013, 9:43 am

SurplusElect wrote: We have such low taxes and are apparently very business friendly (under the Conservatives) - why are no bikes made in Canada?


If you have to hide behind a 15% tariff (was 25%) in order to be price competative, then you shouldn't be in the business. You see a few hundred obviously overpaid jobs gone. Why else would they need a 15% tariff if both power and steel are plentiful and cheap here. I see every Canadian having had to pay 15% more to purchase a bike than they needed to and I am positive that that amount of money dwarfs the entire Raleigh payroll in Canada by magnitudes of scale. Think of what all of that excessive money could have purchased elsewhere in Canada and how much of it would have been Canadian manufactured. How many Canadian jobs would that have created?
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby SurplusElect » Jan 16th, 2013, 10:06 am

twobits wrote:I see every Canadian having had to pay 15% more to purchase a bike than they needed to and I am positive that that amount of money dwarfs the entire Raleigh payroll in Canada by magnitudes of scale.


What is the true cost of a bicycle made by Chinese slaves?

The tariff I was talking about ended some 20 years ago, fyi.
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby twobits » Jan 16th, 2013, 10:27 am

SurplusElect wrote:What is the true cost of a bicycle made by Chinese slaves?

The tariff I was talking about ended some 20 years ago, fyi.


Wrong again union dude. It was reduced to 15% and today sits at 13%. That means we still pay 13% plus HST on that extra 13% more than we should. Don't let the facts get in the way of your position though. I bet you think the export tariff on our lumber going to the states is a good thing too huh? Look at those great wages it supports in the lumber industry down there. Oh wait a minute......that's backwards.....we want those jobs in Canada. Is a picture starting to emerge for ya surplus? See, we are cost competative in lumber and don't need import tariffs to protect the good paying jobs in that industry. Do what you are good at for good paying jobs and it isn't bicycles.

We can make anything in Canada. Maybe we should make Canadian olive oil. We could import olives from those sunny climes in which they grow, set up a plant and hire Canadian workers to press the olives to make oil. Even at 10 bucks an hour though we would need a 25% import tariff to protect the Canadian olive oil industry from cheaper offshore producers. But what the heck, we can all gladly pay 25% more for our olive oil but we could sleep well at night knowing we are saving the Canadian olive oil industry and it's jobs.
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby SurplusElect » Jan 16th, 2013, 11:16 am

Wrong again union dude. It was reduced to 15% and today sits at 13%. Don't let the facts get in the way of your position though.


SurplusElect wrote:The Canadian government saw fit to lower the tariff on bicycle imports, from 25% to 15%, in 1975.


So quick to prove me wrong you tripped on your own shoe laces. 1975 is 20+ years ago.

Again I ask you - what is the true cost of a Chinese made bicycle?

Instead of paying 209.99, you pay 129.99 but you get that price because :

-slave/forced/child labour
-unsafe work conditions
-no environmental protection
-improper disposal of waste
-funding the economy of a country that hacks into our government computers and tortures people
-unemployment in Canada, less taxes being paid in Canada, less social services
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby twobits » Jan 17th, 2013, 9:56 am

Still a 13% tariff costing canadian consumers 13% more plus taxes on bike purchases to protect a bike industry in canada that doesn't exist huh?
Love how you deflect and try to turn your lame argument into a human rights and working conditions issue in China too! :dyinglaughing:
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby SurplusElect » Jan 17th, 2013, 10:47 am

twobits wrote:Love how you deflect and try to turn your lame argument into a human rights and working conditions issue in China too!


You'd be ok for selling Germany scrap metal in 1942 as long as you got a cheaper price on a bike?
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby twobits » Jan 19th, 2013, 4:03 pm

SurplusElect wrote:You'd be ok for selling Germany scrap metal in 1942 as long as you got a cheaper price on a bike?


You are just full of intelligent observations aren't you? I refer you to my tag line.
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Re: Raleigh to stop making bikes in Canada

Postby kibbs » Jan 21st, 2013, 6:29 am

If were going to compete with china we will never beat them on price.Bike sales always bounced back due to reinvention. The banana seat the mountain bike .if you just keep making the same old crap of course china will kick your lazy ass.
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