For Accountants-CCPC's
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For Accountants-CCPC's
Will a privately owned, closed-ended mutual fund be considered a CCPC? If so, would the Fund still be able to pass off all income and capital gains to shareholders in order to avoid Part IV tax? One can message me as well. Thanks in advance.
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Re: For Accountants-CCPC's
Short answer - no.
This kind of a setup used to be called an income trust. A trust was set up for the sole purpose of being an investment vehicle. People invested in the trust to become recipients of that trust. When the trust recorded capital gains or dividend disbursements, these flowed through to the trust recipients as (largely) tax-free income. Problem is, the Canadian government put a stop to all that in the late 90s by making such income fully taxable, which almost completely eliminated the advantage of that kind of a trust.
This kind of a setup used to be called an income trust. A trust was set up for the sole purpose of being an investment vehicle. People invested in the trust to become recipients of that trust. When the trust recorded capital gains or dividend disbursements, these flowed through to the trust recipients as (largely) tax-free income. Problem is, the Canadian government put a stop to all that in the late 90s by making such income fully taxable, which almost completely eliminated the advantage of that kind of a trust.
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Re: For Accountants-CCPC's
To more fully answer your question, a mutual fund cannot be considered a CCPC, because it was not set up with the intent of carrying on in some form of business activity within Canada. In other words, it is not selling either a product or a service, so it cannot be considered to be “carrying on a business”. It is an investment vehicle, plain and simple.
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Re: For Accountants-CCPC's
A fund can still pass on its dividend and capital gains income to shareholders in order to avoid Part IV tax.
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Re: For Accountants-CCPC's
True, but it cannot be considered a CCPC in of itself. A CCPC can hold mutual funds and pass on the capital gains and dividends (and in fact, tax law encourages businesses to pass on flow-through dividends), but there is very little general benefit (if any at all) to having a CCPC hold the mutual fund rather than the end recipients holding it.
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Re: For Accountants-CCPC's
Sorry if I wasn’t more clear, but I was responding primarily to your “is a Mutual Fund considered a CCPC” question. With that context, it isn’t.
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