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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby mitchbaywatch » Dec 2nd, 2012, 9:13 pm

not gonna happen Trunk, too people think these forums are the peoples court.
I guesss if that what makes them feel good whatever
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby Roadster » Dec 3rd, 2012, 12:47 am

Sorry guys but its forum life. As crappy as some of the comments can be its very different from when all we had was "Write the editor" and even those got nasty at times. Was harder to challenge it then tho.
Best lesson anyone (everyone) can learn from this whether he is found guilty or not is to make sure no matter what you do, try not to be seen on camera. Thats gonna be nearly impossible so its best to make sure what you do doesnt look like a bad thing I guess.
Feeedom to act up or just cut loose or have a fight on the street or even sell drugs for anyone without being caught is gone, its like saying stuff about your employer or someone you work with or showing your boobies on the internet, there is No privacy anywhere anymore, there is video in everyone's pocket and on many street corners and parking lots so we cant even fart the wrong way now.
I do agree tho, some of the comments are not nice at all but everyone is allowed their opinion as long as it isnt a personal attack against a poster here or bad business review stuff, there is a list of whats not allowed anyway. I would hit the red button if you feel its not right that it is there and a mod will look at it. They do try to be as fair as they can, but it is a public forum and all walks of life are here saying their bit, even if it is hating because someone had their bad time but many dont take in that kind of stuff anyway or will challenge it even if only for fun.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby cutter7 » Dec 3rd, 2012, 7:17 am

mitchbaywatch wrote:not gonna happen Trunk, too people think these forums are the peoples court.
I guesss if that what makes them feel good whatever


yes, thats how forums are. people share their opinion and you know what they say about opinions. like a rectum, everyone has one.

some people have their heads further up their opinion than others, If it's going to upset you I'd suggest the game section.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby Scuba » Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:01 am

So many What if's, should haves, could haves, from people who absolutely have no idea what actually occurred that day. Starting from from the the call to the tha actual take down. There is only thing they see, is the kick.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby cutter7 » Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:02 am

Thats good! I wasn't directing that comment at you though. you seem quite comfortable voicing your own opinion.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby cutter7 » Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:04 am

Scuba wrote:So many What if's, should haves, could haves, from people who absolutely have no idea what actually occurred that day. Starting from from the the call to the tha actual take down. There is only thing they see, is the kick.



Isn't that what the charge is about? We all saw the kick and now the lawyers will play their game and the judge will decide if it was assault causing bodily harm.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby zzontar » Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:44 am

Trunk-Monkey wrote:You know as I sit here sometimes and read these posts and I chuckle to myself. As much as some of you would like to think that you know everything about the occurrence...trust me you dont and nor do I. Why dont we all let the man have his day in court. I mean I read a post where someone said he should be made an example of...blah blah blah. Yet another stating the reasons he was not in a uniform or why he did not use his mic to call Buddy out of the car...this is nothing more than white noise.
Again...this will all be covered in the only forum that matters...a court of law....everything else is mere speculation...and yes that includes the video because at the end of the day...the only thing that matters is what is presented in court and what is used to explain said presentation and if the judge lends any weight to it.
LET THE MAN HAVE IS DAY IN COURT...just like any of you or I would want.


Yup, maybe they should give him the option of a written appeal, and if the appeal officer believes it was Mantler who was charged, then he must be guilty regardless of any other evidence. Then, after wasting money on a useless appeal, instead of going through regular court procedures, he should have to take it to the supreme court, and if he doesn't have the money to do that, too bad.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby Trunk-Monkey » Dec 3rd, 2012, 2:36 pm

zzontar wrote:Yup, maybe they should give him the option of a written appeal, and if the appeal officer believes it was Mantler who was charged, then he must be guilty regardless of any other evidence. Then, after wasting money on a useless appeal, instead of going through regular court procedures, he should have to take it to the supreme court, and if he doesn't have the money to do that, too bad.

As I said earlier, this is a criminal process not an administrative one...like your case and axe to grind.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby mitchbaywatch » Dec 3rd, 2012, 6:57 pm

thx cutter I have big shoulders, I don't need the game section, I have a wife for that!!!
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby diggerdick » Dec 3rd, 2012, 8:56 pm

It is interesting that the same people who are so willing to deny people's day in court .because of the misconstrued screwed up civil law made by the British government , Because RCMP officers were losing too many of their cases in court.

Will stand on their soapbox and preach about it here :dyinglaughing:
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby Trunk-Monkey » Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:59 pm

diggerdick wrote:It is interesting that the same people who are so willing to deny people's day in court .because of the misconstrued screwed up civil law made by the British government , Because RCMP officers were losing too many of their cases in court.

Will stand on their soapbox and preach about it here :dyinglaughing:

No soap box here. I think you should go read some of the back ground as to why the so called "misconstrued screwed up civil law" was made because loosing court cases was not the reason.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby gordon_as » Dec 5th, 2012, 3:15 pm

Castanet banner says he just plead guilty. I smell a plea bargain.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby Snarf » Dec 5th, 2012, 3:23 pm

Plea bargain? Another assumption? 50 pages full of assumptions on here...
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby gordon_as » Dec 5th, 2012, 3:33 pm

I "assume" we will wait and see.
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Re: Mantler trial begins today

Postby Roadster » Dec 5th, 2012, 3:39 pm

Buddy Tavares, centre, at Kelowna Law Courts
UPDATE 2:10 p.m. - Jeff Mantler changed his plea to guilty when court reconvened Wednesday afternoon. Details to come.

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An RCMP use of force trainer testified Wednesday that Cst. Geoff Mantler did not follow training procedure on the day he arrested Buddy Tavares in Kelowna.

Kerry Solinsky said after viewing the Castanet video from Jan 7, 2011, when the arrest took place, he concluded Mantler, whose trial is continuing this week, did not follow instructions he had received in high risk vehicle stop training.

Solinsky explained that typically in such a stop, once an officer identifies a vehicle they advise other members as to where the location is and to what the plan is. Once the stop is decided upon, the number one car then takes control of the situation.

The second vehicle then comes to the side of the lead vehicle and a third would be behind it, to keep traffic away. The goal being to form a V formation to ensure the safety of the public.

Once that is done, the officer in the number one vehicle will start to order people out of the suspect vehicle.

The only time an officer would approach the car would be in a rescue/hostage situation. 

In all cases during a high risk procedure, the training is to stabilize the area and wait for backup and if a suspect is gets out of their car, to stay in the police car.

Solinsky said he trained Mantler on May 5, 2008 and Sept. 16, 2010.

In the first, Mantler was part of a group of 33, training out in the field. He did not remember the officer's performance on that particular day. In the September training, which included classroom and practical sessions, Mantler followed training and was very enthusiastic.

During cross-examination, defence lawyer Neville McDougall asked if there were any single member stops during training. The witness said no. The lawyer further suggested things don't always go as planned in these types of stops, to which Solinsky answered, "Yes".

Kynan O'Rourke, who was working near where the vehicle stop took place on Jan. 7, said he saw the officer walk up to the driver's side of the car with his firearm out and ask the driver to put his hands up. He repeatedly heard the officer say "I want to see your hands.".

The driver looked confused, but put his hands up right away, the witness said. When he stepped out of the vehicle, he kind of slid out of the driver's seat and was given a command to get down. Around this time he recalled seeing Castanet's Kelly Hayes pull up and take out his phone.

He next saw the driver's feet and hands going down and the officer moving, which is where the kick came in.

O'Rourke did not see the kick, but could hear it. The sound was like a watermelon or cantaloupe hitting the floor, he said. At the time the kick was delivered, he saw Hayes wince. He also noticed a pool of blood pretty much right away.

The crown rested its case Wednesday morning, after calling several witnesses including officers who were at the scene, civilian witnesses and an expert in use of force. Mantler was expected to take the stand in the afternoon.

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I would think a plea bargen woulda come in handy right about today since we see a guilty plea... Why not?

We shall see. In any case its good, he can be handed something, anything and hopefully at the least it means he wont want to be a police officer anymore, if he senserely did see his wrongs and went with guilty for that reason. Tis all I would like to see. Safety is all I care about, not his blood.
Seems the use of force instructor things like many here have all along too so it just goes to show the public might have a clue after all.
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