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NLEF. While compassion is a wonderful trait and one that is certainly missing in many of us, myself included, you are confused and are in my opinion deluding yourself.

While I admire your stand in support of your friend or past friend or whatever he may be to you today, you have missed the point entirely .

Not everyone is salvageable and nor should we try to rescue everyone who seems to have "lost their way". Some need to be put aside where they cannot hurt anyone ever anymore. And even when they get the help you seem to think that they need, many will never be capable of not hurting others and your friend may very well be one of those.

He may be simply a prime example of "bad code". And bad code gets deleted.

that is the sad part, unfortunatly there are dogs out there that are beyond being corrected.
to risk a childs safety isnt worth it in my opinion.
but it is just my opinion.
if some feel they are worthy have at it, just keep them away from my neighborhood.
im not into sexual predator rehabilitation and would never think its a safe choice.
i find it funny we will ban pitbulls from a town but not child rapists.

That's because we "value" human life above all which I think is dangerous and misguided.

I am not deluding myself, nor have I missed the point entirely. I truly believe that there are very ill people out there who do need to be put behind bars or placed in institutions where efforts will be made to rehabilitate them. If they cannot be truly rehabilitated, then they should not be allowed back into society where they can harm anyone, especially children. This includes everyone from child molesters to rapists, from drug dealers to alcoholics who drive, to those who abuse the elderly, and the list goes on.

At the end of the day, any one of us may find ourselves being the guilty one, if the conditions are right. If you think that your mind is totally immune to the possibility of snapping, then it is you, my friend, who are deluding yourself. Each and every one of us has a brain that will fail us, if we are pushed to the very brink of our limit.

If it is you, in your current "sane" state of mind, who believe that you would not deserve the opportunity to have the appropriate medical intervention when, and if, your mind falters, then, hey... put that in your living will. But don't believe, for a second, that you have the right to determine that for someone else, or their family, because, really, you don't!

You want to voice your opinion on the actions of someone else.... have at it, it's your right...... But, when you state that someone should go kill himself, and they end up doing it, guess what? That makes you the guy who pulled the trigger, that makes you the bully, to use the popular term on the news, these days.... and, then, it is you that others will be condemning for your actions..... just imagine how your family might feel? Or, do you even care?

One other thing, condemning a person to death is just giving them an easy way out... they don't begin to face any consequences for their actions. Heck, they won't even know that what they did was wrong. They actually get off pretty darned easy. Death is every coward's way out of everything, be it the one who takes his own life, or the one who pulls the trigger.

It is the living who have to figure out how to face the world. It is the surviving victims, and the families of both the victims and the accused, who have to learn to live again. It is the living who face the consequences of their actions, be they wrong, or right. If you had any backbone to yourself at all, you would choose life, not death.

It is the living who have to figure out how to face the world. It is the surviving victims, and the families of both the victims and the accused, who have to learn to live again. It is the living who face the consequences of their actions, be they wrong, or right. If you had any backbone to yourself at all, you would choose life, not death.

That's just it. It's people like your friend who create victims. Without him and those like him, there is no need for the tag.

This person decides that his urges are all that matter and presto! You have a victim. Excellent. And all because he slipped or snapped or whatever and really, I don't care.

He is broken and he may not be fixable but in the interim, we have a victim whose life will never, ever, ever be the same because this particular individual suffers from a few misfiring neurons.

Not his fault maybe but certainly not the fault of the newly created victim.

Human life cannot be valued above all because we are not worthy of that designation.

You are placing this deviants life and his possible rehabilitation at the top of the priority list when the plain simple truth is he is not welcome in our world.

we don't need him. There are far too many pressing issues to deal with and we can't afford to waste time on damaged goods who have uncontrollable desires to hurt.

And don't question my resolve or my backbone.

nlef wrote:I am not deluding myself, nor have I missed the point entirely. I truly believe that there are very ill people out there who do need to be put behind bars or placed in institutions where efforts will be made to rehabilitate them. If they cannot be truly rehabilitated, then they should not be allowed back into society where they can harm anyone, especially children. This includes everyone from child molesters to rapists, from drug dealers to alcoholics who drive, to those who abuse the elderly, and the list goes on.

At the end of the day, any one of us may find ourselves being the guilty one, if the conditions are right. If you think that your mind is totally immune to the possibility of snapping, then it is you, my friend, who are deluding yourself. Each and every one of us has a brain that will fail us, if we are pushed to the very brink of our limit.

If it is you, in your current "sane" state of mind, who believe that you would not deserve the opportunity to have the appropriate medical intervention when, and if, your mind falters, then, hey... put that in your living will. But don't believe, for a second, that you have the right to determine that for someone else, or their family, because, really, you don't!

You want to voice your opinion on the actions of someone else.... have at it, it's your right...... But, when you state that someone should go kill himself, and they end up doing it, guess what? That makes you the guy who pulled the trigger, that makes you the bully, to use the popular term on the news, these days.... and, then, it is you that others will be condemning for your actions..... just imagine how your family might feel? Or, do you even care?

One other thing, condemning a person to death is just giving them an easy way out... they don't begin to face any consequences for their actions. Heck, they won't even know that what they did was wrong. They actually get off pretty darned easy. Death is every coward's way out of everything, be it the one who takes his own life, or the one who pulls the trigger.

It is the living who have to figure out how to face the world. It is the surviving victims, and the families of both the victims and the accused, who have to learn to live again. It is the living who face the consequences of their actions, be they wrong, or right. If you had any backbone to yourself at all, you would choose life, not death.

i can assure you i will never sexually harm a person in my life.
i would go for a drive alone never to return if i ever thought it was humanly possible.
there are some things in life you just dont do as a normal person.
when someone looses the ability to stop themselves from sexually touching/harming anyone they have become the lowest form of animal alive.
you may have doubts about your ability to abstain but i never have myself.

"i can assure you i will never sexually harm a person in my life.
i would go for a drive alone never to return if i ever thought it was humanly possible.
there are some things in life you just dont do as a normal person.
when someone looses the ability to stop themselves from sexually touching/harming anyone they have become the lowest form of animal alive."

No one ever has doubts about their own willpower to reject any possible misguided thoughts. We all believe that we are strong enough to fight those demons, should they ever come our way. The thing is, no one can predict when, or if, our minds will fail us. Can you guarantee that you will never suffer some sort of trauma to your brain, perhaps in a fall, an auto accident or your own abuse? I guess, if you are truly psychic, you may be able to sidestep such an event, and even that, is questionable at best.

My father suffered an auto accident that caused incredible brain damage to the section of his brain that controls his impulses.... The man who woke up in the hospital was not the man who went in there. If we had thought like you do now, then we would have pulled the plug, and my father would have died. But, thankfully, we were intelligent enough to know that this man was an incredible person and deserved a chance at life.

Living with my father after his accident took a heck of a lot of patience, compassion, tolerance and understanding. But, what really pulled him through all of his years of rehabilitation, was pure, simple love and faith... things that our society today has unfortunately forgotten how to express.

If someone has lost the ability to control their urges, through no fault of their own, is it not their human right to have medical intervention to hopefully retrain their brain to do what is right? If you believe it isn't, then I truly fear for your future, and your family's future, for, one day, it may be you, your parent, perhaps even your child, who bumps his head and wakes up a totally different person. i wonder what your thoughts would be on the subject then?

None of us really knows what really made Billy, and others like like him, do these things. I do know, however, from hanging with Billy as a teenager that he was a wonderful person to everyone who knew him. Sure, he got into scraps with the boys, but that's boys for you. Many a time Billy cracked his head on the train tracks and fell off the bridge into the water. Perhaps he actually suffered brain injuries then..... who knows? He did come up out of the water bleeding on several occasions.

I could also verify that the Billy I knew never hurt anyone's child back then. In fact, he came to the rescue of many who were being abused by their own parents. The Billy that I knew could never be described as a monster. What caused his mind to splinter, nobody knows. But his family does deserve the opportunity to be with him again, and he deserves to get the medical intervention he needs to try to heal.

I pray that somehow, he will find his way home again, and his family can begin the process of healing. I also pray for the victims to be able to begin to heal again. I just hope hatred doesn't fill their hearts and destroy their chances at life, for it is only with forgiveness, faith and love that true healing can be attained.

If someone has lost the ability to control their urges, through no fault of their own, is it not their human right to have medical intervention to hopefully retrain their brain to do what is right?

Yes, but if you are accessing this type of treatment, you shouldn't be allowed to wander free where you can hurt others as your friend apparently was.

"Yes, but if you are accessing this type of treatment, you shouldn't be allowed to wander free where you can hurt others as your friend apparently was."

I agree with you completely on the above statement! What I have difficulty with, is when people believe and then post on public forums that those with mental disorders should go jump off a cliff, commit suicide or even be put to death, as was suggested several times during this discussion. It's this kind of irrational thought that causes so much pain to everyone concerned, especially to the close family and friends of the individual who is mentally ill.

It is not Billy's fault that he is how he is. He is a human being who suffers from an illness and deserves to be treated as such. If the medical professionals believe that he needs to be kept from society, then they have to be responsible enough to make sure that he is kept from society.

When they screw up and let someone out who is unstable, then it is they who need to be held accountable for any unfortunate events that occur as a result of their errors in judgment, and it is also up to them to make sure that the individual in question be found and subjected to more medical intervention.

But none of us has the right to condemn a person to death.... that is ultimately up to our maker to decide when, where, how and why.

A year has passed and still no sign of William.
His truck was found near the old Bellevue trestle, and his ATV was found near the entrance to the Adra tunnel on the KVR, all burned up, apparently causing $1,000,000 in damage to the restored tunnel.

Some amazing comments here!

The sad part is sexual predators or offenders in most all cases cannot be rehabilitated.

What I do find totally amazing is that people make such comments; he too likely was a victim as a child.

I don't think he has the choice when he was a child to become victimized.

This whole post shows some terrible problems with our society today, and sadly it is being entertained on this site.

Your post Ken doesn't let me know what your feelings are. You say that most sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated and I agree but I don't know if you have any ideas as to how the rest of us should live our lives based on that assertion.

I am not saying that people with mental illness should jump off a cliff. I am saying that this type of offender needs to be removed from the main stream. I agree that rehabilitation is unlikely in most cases.

NLEF makes some valid points but in the end, when a persons brain becomes damaged due to injury or disease, they cease being who they were and who they have become may be unsalvageable and a danger to themselves and others.

And in cases like this do the rest of us not deserve knowing that they are being looked after away from the general population?

In my opinion, hanging on to the memory in a physical way of someone who was is unfair and maybe even cruel.

To me it is the same as people who keep their beloved pets alive when they are suffering because they can't bear the thought of doing the humane thing.

No I am not suggesting euthanasia; merely pointing out an attitude that is deep with emotion.

I think that maybe NLEF is right and that Billy went down to deep once to often. Regardless, he obviously is not the same person and just as obvious, he is dangerous and his life is not as precious as the lives of the innocent for that reason.

There is only ONE cure for a pedophile 357

Treatment MAYBE he won't do it again
Probation MAYBE he wont do it again
Jail MAYBE he wont do it again
357 He WON"T do it again

Billy is a pervert

Billy is a low life maggot

Billy is scum

Billy is a monster

How did Billy become that way?

the Christians like to tell a story about a monster who lived across the lake from Galilee. When Jesus met him,
the demon-possessed freak wasn't wearing any clothes, and yelled as loud as he could - "What do you want with me, Jesus?
Dude, don't torture me!"

When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

But even if the Christians are wrong - and it's not possible to command evil spirits out of a person
and into a herd of swine, there should be a way to prevent other people from ruining their life like Billy did.