The Obligatory Mantler Trial Thread

[goatboy]

Lets see walks like duck . Quacks like a duck.Must be a duck . And this duck is guilty.

Could be a small goose.

[MAPearce]

until proven in court ......yetch...

[bikeguy25]

For all of you that are screaming for jail time and hope to see him in jail etc etc.....your going to be very very very disappointed.....He wont do ANY jail time....My guess suspended sentence. Even criminals who have 30-40 previous convictions dont go to jail when they commit crimes of this sort. So for anyone who is actually thinking jail time will be dished out your absolutely out of your mind. I would strongly suggest if you ever have a free morning or afternoon go sit in on some court cases at the court house. You will be absolutely shocked and appauled by the sentences and decisions that come out of there and you will then realize how someone with so many previous convictions gets back on the street.

[Captain Awesome]

For all of you that are screaming for jail time and hope to see him in jail etc etc.....your going to be very very very disappointed.....He wont do ANY jail time.

My guess the one with crack head will be thrown out.

The one with kicking video - meh. Probably conditional sentence.

[bikeguy25]

yup.....Suspended or conditional.....nothing more. I find it quite funny though how people think this would get jail time but even sexual assaults, drunk drivers causing death and domestic assaults dont even get jail time so someone please explain to me why this would?????

[crookedmember]

yup.....Suspended or conditional.....nothing more.

Well, nothing more except the civil suit.

[bikeguy25]

Civil will be through RCMP if it goes through that.....All police are protected from being sued civilly, so not going to affect him.

[MAPearce]

Civil will be through RCMP if it goes through that.....All police are protected from being sued civilly, so not going to affect him.

And that just stinks.....Perhaps if cops weren't protected from civil suits ,you would behave a tad bit better ...hmmmm ??

[bikeguy25]

Ummmm no......cause if there was any high risk call then nobody would step in and do anything in worries of being sued. i.e. bar fights, foot pursuits, weapons calls etc. Its a good concept but will never happen. Further to that its ABSOLUTELY no different to any other person working a job. If you work for burger king and serve a raw burger then burger king gets sued not the employee.

[MAPearce]

What I think would be easier is police forces terminating guys like Mantler before they attract so much negative attention...

At what point did the RCMP realize that he had become a liability ? ....The public only knows about 3 of his alleged "indiscretions" and I highly doubt those were the only ones ...

[crookedmember]

Ummmm no......cause if there was any high risk call then nobody would step in and do anything in worries of being sued. i.e. bar fights, foot pursuits, weapons calls etc. Its a good concept but will never happen. Further to that its ABSOLUTELY no different to any other person working a job. If you work for burger king and serve a raw burger then burger king gets sued not the employee.

Interesting analogy, but serving someone an undercooked burger is a mistake; kicking them in the head is a crime.

So I'm just wondering . . . will the RCMP still pick up the civil tab if the accused is found to be a criminal?

[process99]

Civil will be through RCMP if it goes through that.....All police are protected from being sued civilly, so not going to affect him.

Will Mantler retain his civil defense protection if he is fired?. If so how long does the RCMP protect themselves from his behaviour after he has been fired.
I would expect any civil action to be filed after he loses this protection and becomes responsible for paying his own defense bills.
Would Mantler retain any type of paid RCMP defense lawyer? after he has been fired, if so for how long..

Thanks.

P99

[bikeguy25]

No, he is on the hook for his lawyer expenses. Its actually very very very hard to get the RCMP to provide a lawyer to ANYONE for ANY process. Police pay 2.00 a paycheque and have their own private legal fund as none of us can count on being represented by RCMP and that just stinks.......

[bikeguy25]

Oh and basically the reasoning for that is if there is ANY possibility that the officer MAY have done something wrong they will not provide legal representation. Thats where the private legal fund comes in to play.

[KL3-Something]

No, he is on the hook for his lawyer expenses. Its actually very very very hard to get the RCMP to provide a lawyer to ANYONE for ANY process. Police pay 2.00 a paycheque and have their own private legal fund as none of us can count on being represented by RCMP and that just stinks.......

The Legal Fund hasn't been 2.00 for a long time. Better check your pay statement.

As for this:

What I think would be easier is police forces terminating guys like Mantler before they attract so much negative attention...

You are clearly stating exactly what went on here. Everything that has happened to Mantler since that incident including being suspended without pay and resurrecting this crackhead complaint into a bunk assault causing charge stems DIRECTLY from the RCMP being unable to stand up to public opinion. There are members who have done far worse in the past and have done worse since without getting suspended without pay and hung out to dry by their bosses. I'm not saying that it is right or wrong that those other members haven't been suspended without pay or hung out to dry, just that this is purely based on a shitstorm stemming from an uninformed public's opinion. They have turned him into a whipping boy/scapegoat ahead of any due process in an effort to appear as though they are finally doing something about these types of situations.

And what bikeguy25 says is true. If the RCMP decided that they were not going to fund lawyers for members in civil suits who were found to be acting in the lawful execution of their duty then members will begin carrying a FIDO attitude with them.....F**k It, Drive On.

Can't wait to see the FIDO begin to show up if they reform the RCMP member's health coverage like they are wanting to....Good luck getting a cop to put him or herself in harms way for anyone.