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cutypi wrote:As do I.. Thanks for that CTF and it is good to see someone sticking to their guns. I tend to agree with Maple leaf on the Liberal side and Hoot on the NDP side though and believe we need to find a way to keep these parties in check. To let them get away with this is , to me, like letting a bank robber off the hook, scot-free, because he was so kind as to have spent some of his ill gotten cash in Penticton.........I'm just saying !!

I to could refute every one of hoots points.But as someone just said it would probably go around in circles.I just had to point out the Liberals don't have such a rosy record.To me the most important thing is to vote this Liberal government out.OR if they do get back in, then we really are condoning the bungling I pointed out.In my view voting greens or Conservatives will not accomplish that.So that leaves the NDP.The only way to break the cycle of malfeasant bungling is to keep voting them out.The Liberals should have been voted out after their first term in my opinion or at the least after their second term.But all we did was condone there bungling and malfeasant path,by electing them a third time.If the NDP do get elected and pull the sort of crap hoot points out then we need to hold their feet to the fire and don't let them get away with it and if need be vote them out and keep voting parties out until they get the message. It might take awhile but just complaining and voting them back in again will never change anything,and voting green or con this time, will not change that.I would really like to see the NDP with a Conservative opposition .

If the NDP do get elected and pull the sort of crap hoot points out then we need to hold their feet to the fire and don't let them get away with it and if need be vote them out

Problem is the NDP has already pulled the sort of crap I wrote about and had ten years to bring BC to its knees economically.

It is because of the polarized politics in BC, people think there is no other alternative to the Liberals and dippers. Yet there is, and when I read of posts advocating voting for this or that party I shake my head in disbelief.

What is even more disconcerting is that the very people running the NDP today were the very same advisers to the appalling government of the 1990s, and people are advocating voting these same clowns back in office.

Will we never learn............

hoot wrote:

If the NDP do get elected and pull the sort of crap hoot points out then we need to hold their feet to the fire and don't let them get away with it and if need be vote them out

Problem is the NDP has already pulled the sort of crap I wrote about and had ten years to bring BC to its knees economically.

It is because of the polarized politics in BC, people think there is no other alternative to the Liberals and dippers. Yet there is, and when I read of posts advocating voting for this or that party I shake my head in disbelief.

What is even more disconcerting is that the very people running the NDP today were the very same advisers to the appalling government of the 1990s, and people are advocating voting these same clowns back in office.

Will we never learn............

and what then is your solution?

Edit to add:
Another thing every point that you brought up that the NDP is accused by you of doing ,Has already bean judged .The people of BC had a say as to what they thought about that government and how they were handling things.And they spoke out loudly and gave a good spanking to the party and shut them out of parliament (except for 2 MLA's ) for 4 years.
Compared that to all the Liberal malfeasant crap to which they have not been taken to task for by the people of BC, as of yet.
Usually people learn from a good spanking and so far over the last 12 years the NDP have not done anything to at least be of concern to me.And all signs, so far point to, they probably learned from the past.Compared to the Liberals over the last 12 years still almost daily if not weekly are in the news with another bungling mismanagement or dastardly deed,right up to a few days ago.They need to be spanked.Unfortunatly in this time and space with what we in BC have to work with, the best and only solution to do that, is to vote for the NDP.Or if voting for the NDP is just to much for one to handle, at least vote for the Conservatives and give Bc an opposition instead of rewarding the worst most corrupt government in the history of BC that position.Or as someone below suggests if you have a good independent in your area would be a good step.The main thing is to get rid of this Liberal government,and if whoever replaces them screws up,get rid of them too.

maple leaf wrote:what then is your solution?

Well there were currently two sitting independents and now Van-Dongen is also, so that makes three. I read in another topic a post where two of them have all their expenses visible on their websites for everyone to see. If you ask me that's a step in the right direction. Perhaps if BC as a whole elected a few more we could start to send a message that this partisan nonsense will no longer fly. Problem is, I don't know if any are going to be running and I suppose it would be very expensive for them to compete. It's a thought anyway, we have to do SOMETHING.

cutypi wrote:

maple leaf wrote:what then is your solution?

Well there were currently two sitting independents and now Van-Dongen is also, so that makes three. I read in another topic a post where two of them have all their expenses visible on their websites for everyone to see. If you ask me that's a step in the right direction. Perhaps if BC as a whole elected a few more we could start to send a message that this partisan nonsense will no longer fly. Problem is, I don't know if any are going to be running and I suppose it would be very expensive for them to compete. It's a thought anyway, we have to do SOMETHING.

Nothing wrong with that,it would be IMO better than voting for the Liberals.But at this point in time there are not enough of them to be assured the Liberals will not be voted in again and personally the most important thing is to rid the province of the Liberals.Who knows ,maybe the election in 4 more years if the NDP get in and screw up and need to be turfed , there might be more independents by then.But I agree something need to be done.

I was trying to watch a little TV last night and sat through 9 of these commercials and then 2 more while I was watching global news this morning. It's no wonder the media isn't all over this, they are making out like bandits. I wonder if they would spend their own money with this much recklessness. Seems they don't mind flushing ours down the toidy. 15 million could go along way towards the deficit. But then again they are "free enterprise" so they would find some other ways to get it into the hands of corporate BC.

Who knows ,maybe the election in 4 more years if the NDP get in and screw up and need to be turfed

So let me get this straight ,you are willing to maintain the current system of exchanging left then right wing governments, no matter how terrible they both have been of governing our fair province, until there are enough independents to make a difference.?

Problem is the average BC voter is lazy, and too many independents in a riding confuses things. They haven’t the time to analyze each independent’s platform , they want things laid out to them on a platter.
So instead, they cast their vote for the best group (party) that reflects their overall point of view, knowing that there is strength in numbers.

When you consider only 51% of registered voters bothered getting of their backsides and actually voted in the last provincial election, your suggestion has little or no chance of ever coming to fruition.

Bottom line 49% of BCers aren’t interested,in whomever runs the Province which is pretty pathetic.

So hoot, you make some good points but what is your solution? I agree the independent route, although a good idea, is unlikely mostly because, as you say, the electorate is lazy. Most would rather complain than make any effort what-so-ever toward making it better. Its rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, on and on. The rich get richer and the poor cease to exist.

Maybe no-one should vote. We have 85 ridings and I read today the MLA's make 101,000 a piece plus travel and expenses. That's over 8 million dollars that could go somewhere else. We do have the highest poverty rate in Canada after all. Lets just let the "reigning" king or queen make all the decisions, they pretty much do anyway. We elect candidates that do nothing to represent us so why bother.

I know its a bit ridiculous but I'm just so tired of hearing there is NOTHING we can do but take up the.....!!

hoot wrote: Bottom line 49% of BCers aren’t interested,in whomever runs the Province which is pretty pathetic.

It is pathetic and I would wager that many in that 49% are some of the loudest and biggest whiners of whatever gov't is in power. Easy to spew venom in venues such as this but getting to the polling booth seems a monumental task.

As to the topic of this thread, it's a non issue as far as I am concerned and just another example of whining for the sake of whining to cast the governing party in bad light. If the OP had thought for a minute before posting they would have recognized that every party in history has done similar advertising, including the NDP of the 90's. I remember them well......"New Democrats working for the people of British Columbia"......with images of Glen Clarke rolling up his shirt sleeves. Tell me what the difference is between now and then?

twobits wrote:Tell me what the difference is between now and then?

The NDP did run ads like this when they were in power. And Christy Clark ripped them to shreds for doing it. In 1999, the NDP government ran ads explaining their budget plan. The ads featured Joy MacPhail, then the NDP finance minister."She's got her mug on TV out there, selling her propaganda campaign," Clark railed in the legislature. "How many hospital beds, how many firefighters, how many police officers will not be on the street because she's spending $600,000 on her advertising campaign?"

OH, about $14,400,000

twobits wrote:As to the topic of this thread, it's a non issue as far as I am concerned and just another example of whining for the sake of whining to cast the governing party in bad light.

So, your calling me a whiner.. Perhaps your right. Maybe it isn’t a big deal that we have the highest poverty rate in the country and our “elected” officials see fit to spend 15 MILLION dollars trying to convince us that they are doing what we pay them to do. Never mind the fact that about half of the ads are bare faced lies !!

Anywho, you are right, why whine about it, although I usually like to make some noise when I’m getting skr*#&d, lets just all sit around and “quietly” take it.

In the mean time though, could you lend me a couple of grand, I would like to take out some ads in the newspaper and tell my boss what a great job I am doing and let him know (because he’s too dumb to figure it out) that the wages he pays me aren’t going to waste.

That sounds sooo lame and yet when the government is “actually” doing it people still find ways to justify it for them. I guess its about taking responsibility, we (as a whole, god knows I didn’t vote for them) are the ones that voted this government into power, what, three times, maybe it is just to hard to accept that we are that DUMB.

hoot wrote:

Who knows ,maybe the election in 4 more years if the NDP get in and screw up and need to be turfed

So let me get this straight ,you are willing to maintain the current system of exchanging left then right wing governments, no matter how terrible they both have been of governing our fair province, until there are enough independents to make a difference.?

Problem is the average BC voter is lazy, and too many independents in a riding confuses things. They haven’t the time to analyze each independent’s platform , they want things laid out to them on a platter.
So instead, they cast their vote for the best group (party) that reflects their overall point of view, knowing that there is strength in numbers.

When you consider only 51% of registered voters bothered getting of their backsides and actually voted in the last provincial election, your suggestion has little or no chance of ever coming to fruition.



Bottom line 49% of BCers aren’t interested,in whomever runs the Province which is pretty pathetic.

Still waiting for your solution.
People can dream and want something better than what we have ,but bottom line is, in this point in time what you see is what you will have come election time in May.We can reward the Liberals for all the lies,deceit,and mismanagement over the past 12 years.And by doing so , condone all their actions,and we will continue down the same road .
Or take the only option that is available to send a message to them, that we won't put up with it anymore.

hoot wrote:Problem is the average BC voter is lazy, and too many independents in a riding confuses things.

Why is the independent thing such a stretch, assuming that someone was nuts enough to even try it. Are we “afraid” that by voting for an unknown entity like an independent that we will get, what, a dishonest or spineless, non-representing, vote how their told MLA. Yea, let’s just vote for the Liberal or NDP party instead. Isn’t that what would commonly be referred to as an oxymoron?

All political parties are guilty of wasting tax dollars telling us what they have been doing, it is nothing less than advertising their achievements. Coincidentally these ads start to appear in the lead up to an election period.

The politicians may think that $15 million is chuml change in the big scheme of the Provincial budget, but imagine how many extra teachers could be hired, pay for more OR time to lessen wait times for people waiting for heart surgery. You get the point.

It is a totally irresponsible waste of our money.

dreamon wrote:
It is a totally irresponsible waste of our money.

Didn't say it was a good use of funds......just an example of the pot calling the kettle black. And if the krocky thinks all the NDP spent in self promoting ads was only 600k in total (and 1990's dollars too), I have that proverbial bridge you can buy.

Cutie.....guess I did say you were whining but it was not meant in a derogitory way to you personally.....just an expected soundbite from anyone looking for any reason to discredit.