Castanet

mitchbaywatch wrote:not gonna happen Trunk, too people think these forums are the peoples court.
I guesss if that what makes them feel good whatever

Scuba wrote:So many What if's, should haves, could haves, from people who absolutely have no idea what actually occurred that day. Starting from from the the call to the tha actual take down. There is only thing they see, is the kick.

Trunk-Monkey wrote:You know as I sit here sometimes and read these posts and I chuckle to myself. As much as some of you would like to think that you know everything about the occurrence...trust me you dont and nor do I. Why dont we all let the man have his day in court. I mean I read a post where someone said he should be made an example of...blah blah blah. Yet another stating the reasons he was not in a uniform or why he did not use his mic to call Buddy out of the car...this is nothing more than white noise.
Again...this will all be covered in the only forum that matters...a court of law....everything else is mere speculation...and yes that includes the video because at the end of the day...the only thing that matters is what is presented in court and what is used to explain said presentation and if the judge lends any weight to it.
LET THE MAN HAVE IS DAY IN COURT...just like any of you or I would want.

zzontar wrote:Yup, maybe they should give him the option of a written appeal, and if the appeal officer believes it was Mantler who was charged, then he must be guilty regardless of any other evidence. Then, after wasting money on a useless appeal, instead of going through regular court procedures, he should have to take it to the supreme court, and if he doesn't have the money to do that, too bad.

diggerdick wrote:It is interesting that the same people who are so willing to deny people's day in court .because of the misconstrued screwed up civil law made by the British government , Because RCMP officers were losing too many of their cases in court.

Will stand on their soapbox and preach about it here

Buddy Tavares, centre, at Kelowna Law Courts
UPDATE 2:10 p.m. - Jeff Mantler changed his plea to guilty when court reconvened Wednesday afternoon. Details to come.

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An RCMP use of force trainer testified Wednesday that Cst. Geoff Mantler did not follow training procedure on the day he arrested Buddy Tavares in Kelowna.

Kerry Solinsky said after viewing the Castanet video from Jan 7, 2011, when the arrest took place, he concluded Mantler, whose trial is continuing this week, did not follow instructions he had received in high risk vehicle stop training.

Solinsky explained that typically in such a stop, once an officer identifies a vehicle they advise other members as to where the location is and to what the plan is. Once the stop is decided upon, the number one car then takes control of the situation.

The second vehicle then comes to the side of the lead vehicle and a third would be behind it, to keep traffic away. The goal being to form a V formation to ensure the safety of the public.

Once that is done, the officer in the number one vehicle will start to order people out of the suspect vehicle.

The only time an officer would approach the car would be in a rescue/hostage situation. 

In all cases during a high risk procedure, the training is to stabilize the area and wait for backup and if a suspect is gets out of their car, to stay in the police car.

Solinsky said he trained Mantler on May 5, 2008 and Sept. 16, 2010.

In the first, Mantler was part of a group of 33, training out in the field. He did not remember the officer's performance on that particular day. In the September training, which included classroom and practical sessions, Mantler followed training and was very enthusiastic.

During cross-examination, defence lawyer Neville McDougall asked if there were any single member stops during training. The witness said no. The lawyer further suggested things don't always go as planned in these types of stops, to which Solinsky answered, "Yes".

Kynan O'Rourke, who was working near where the vehicle stop took place on Jan. 7, said he saw the officer walk up to the driver's side of the car with his firearm out and ask the driver to put his hands up. He repeatedly heard the officer say "I want to see your hands.".

The driver looked confused, but put his hands up right away, the witness said. When he stepped out of the vehicle, he kind of slid out of the driver's seat and was given a command to get down. Around this time he recalled seeing Castanet's Kelly Hayes pull up and take out his phone.

He next saw the driver's feet and hands going down and the officer moving, which is where the kick came in.

O'Rourke did not see the kick, but could hear it. The sound was like a watermelon or cantaloupe hitting the floor, he said. At the time the kick was delivered, he saw Hayes wince. He also noticed a pool of blood pretty much right away.

The crown rested its case Wednesday morning, after calling several witnesses including officers who were at the scene, civilian witnesses and an expert in use of force. Mantler was expected to take the stand in the afternoon.