Re: Okanagan Wolf Kill
Posted: Jan 14th, 2013, 10:02 am
And now we're here and we hunt.That head start gave all of these animals and many more species plenty of time to overrun the planet before we got here.
And now we're here and we hunt.That head start gave all of these animals and many more species plenty of time to overrun the planet before we got here.
Fancy wrote: And now we're here and we hunt.
mexicalidreamer wrote:Just a quick check of the "facts" surrounding mans need to be part of the process but us "superior" species have been around about 200,000 years or so and white tailed deer about 3-4 million years. Wolves about 1.6 million years. Moose have been around for more than 500,000 years.
Let's have an actuary jump in here and tell us how many wolves should have been around by the time we sprung out of whatever quagmire we crawled out of based on the "fact" that wolves are prolific breeders.
Surely there would have been gazillions of them and given that moose didn't show up until about a million years later, how did they get a foot hold at all what with all those "hunt for sport" furry blood thirsty canines running the show.
That head start gave all of these animals and many more species plenty of time to overrun the planet before we got here.
It seems to me that nature must have done a pretty good job of controlling the populations of every species up until our arrival without having the benefit of the assistance of the "superior" species because they did not in fact (there's that word again) overrun the planet.
But now because we have encroached on their natural homes and we see the potential for unwanted interaction; interaction which they do not welcome, we see ourselves as being a necessary part of the eco balance and give ourselves permission to kill whatever species in whatever numbers we deem to be reasonable because we are afraid of them?
We give ourselves more rights than we give them. And this rock is as much theirs as it has ever been ours.
In general, the human species arrogance is responsible for ALL of the problems on our planet but while most reasonable people would acknowledge this, we aren't smart enough to say enough is enough, lets try something different.
We may as the "superior" species have control of this planet since we came upon the scene and learned how to make axes out of rock and spearheads out of obsidian and fire out of, well, fire but really, how well is it working out so far?
janalta wrote:And yet..with all of the concern from the hunters about caribou populations near the brink of destruction.....
http://www.lehmancreek.ca/caribou-hunt.html
wcasako wrote:
The hunt for Mountain Caribou in the area this outfitter has is sustainable and has been hunted sustainably from the early 1900s (I can find a specific date if you feel it is important). Hunters are managed in the region where this hunt occurs and so are wolves. As an FYI - the address is Summerland, but do you know where they hunt Mountain Caribou? I have been there a number of times to observe these animals. Beautiful bull on their www page by the way - thanks!
I am trying to guess if you are implying hunting is a risk to the long term viability of this population?
janalta wrote:You are all implying that not hunting wolves in the Okanagan will doom the caribou in another zone...potato/potatoe.
mexicalidreamer wrote: Hunters will always find ways to justify themselves and their actions.
Culling is killing for no apparent good reason other than those fabricated by hunters who are self serving.
Fancy wrote:Not true.