Military policing our streets

[Donald G]

Unread postby Atomoa » 4 minutes ago

I'm sure that crying 11 year old girl in handcuffs at gunpoint will just brush it off.

Does ERT hand out lollipops to kids when they bust into the wrong house?

Apparently you are not aware that the RCMP have Victim Services Workers who will work with victims as long as necessary to help them adjust to what took place. WADR you do not seem to know much about what the RCMP do or how they operate but are willing to make up something to criticize them about anyway. Typical.

Perhaps your comments should be directed at the criminals who caused the police to attend at the home of innocent people in the way noted.

[Atomoa]

Apparently you are not aware that the RCMP have Victim Services Workers who will work with victims as long as necessary to help them adjust to what took place.

You acknowledge that innocent people exposed to ERT/SWAT operations are victims. Given that ERT/SWAT is used to go on legal fishing trips the vast majority of the time, that's a lot of victims the police are creating.

Still no charges in that legal-grow-op raid where the police used explosive shotgun blasts to take a door out. Do the business operators get lollipops and stickers as well?

[Donald G]

Unread postby Atomoa » Today, 11:04 am

Given that ERT/SWAT is used to go on legal fishing trips the vast majority of the time, that's a lot of victims the police are creating.

WADR where are you getting this completely false (some would say ridiculous or asinine) information from ?? Certainly not your fictitious friend the judge or the fictitious police friends that you claim to have ??

It would be COMPLETELY ILLEGAL for ERT, or any other police officer, to engage in a "fishing trip". Everything that the police do is authorized by statute law or is authorized by a designated judicial figure. The police can only do what they are authorized by law to do. No exceptions

[Jx3]

If it takes a simple phone call to turn a neighbourhood into a war zone then perhaps the police should check their response levels.

The reason that "Swatting" is a thing is because the police need little to no reason to respond with SWAT teams. The bar used to be set much higher for the police to deploy dudes with assault rifles and camo military wear - back when crime was much much worse than it is now. Society has responded to this change in the polices behaviour patterns by using the police and their hair-trigger as a weapon itself. Want to mess with your neighbour or that kid at work you don't like? - sic the police on them.

It's training time and a adrenaline rush for the police to show up and knock your door down and put a 11 year old girl in handcuffs, this is the reason most of them signed up to wear a gun. The boys don't jump over themselves to set up a counterattack in cold and wet weather but you can bet there were many coffees' left to go cold when this call came in. Don't kid yourselves - this is the fun part of the job for them. They don't really need a good reason to show up - better safe than sorry. Ignore the fact it's a super rush and the part about it being dangerous to overdeploy in civilian settings - focus on the negative fallacy of better safe than sorry.

The interesting part about better safe than sorry is that if the police use SWAT teams and don't find anything - it's traumatizing and puts peoples lives at risk. That's why we call SWATTING against innocent people terrorism. It's not better safe than sorry. It's better to traumatize you and risk your life when there is nothing wrong, just incase something does go wrong. It's not harmless using these forces in civilian settings. There is a price.

Why was a 11 year old girl handcuffed? Was she armed?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-rFqy4b ... e_sherrif/

If the Goonies made that call today - the police would have called in a airstrike, a few kids would have got flash-banged and injured and possibly Sloth would be shot and killed by the police sniper team. The Fratellis would have certainly all be killed.

LOL.... Your posts and your signature over-the-top hyperbole never fail to give me a good chuckle. Thank you.

[Donald G]

Postby SurplusElect » Mar 14th, 2013, 10:33 am

If they need a vehicle like that in a "hypothetical situation", the military should be called in (can only cite one time in North America where the police were outgunned and needed military assistance - North Hollywood Shooting).

That is because you apparently know nothing about Canadian History. The armed forces were used to help police Canada during WW1. WW2 and in the 1970s to provide vip and citizen protection during the FLQ Crisis in Quebec. Also to help citizens in times of severe weather crisis like the Quebec/Ontario ice storms.

The point is - the police are not soldiers, should not be trained like soldiers and should not have theater-of-war equipment to use on our civilian public streets.

Since the police are *NOT* trained as soldiers and do *NOT* have Combat level Equipment I have to assume that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Atomoa]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/1 ... op-chopper

Officers responded to a priority call on the 1900 block of Harvey Avenue about 5 p.m., after a complaint that a male appeared to have a sheathed knife on his hip was inside a business acting erratically.

“The man, who did not produce the weapon or threaten anyone, was reportedly yelling and screaming, which seemed to make customers uncomfortable,” said Cpl. Jesse O’Donaghey.

The helicopter was in the area as a precaution and to assist Kelowna RCMP general duty officers.

RCMP arrived on scene to the business and asked the man to leave, which he did without incident.

Chopped used because someone yelled in a store.

[FreeRights]

Chopped used because someone yelled in a store.

Officers responded to a priority call on the 1900 block of Harvey Avenue about 5 p.m., after a complaint that a male appeared to have a sheathed knife on his hip was inside a business acting erratically.

“The man, who did not produce the weapon or threaten anyone, was reportedly yelling and screaming, which seemed to make customers uncomfortable,” said Cpl. Jesse O’Donaghey.

The helicopter was in the area as a precaution and to assist Kelowna RCMP general duty officers.

RCMP arrived on scene to the business and asked the man to leave, which he did without incident.

I hardly think we have even close to enough information to assess this situation, and even based on the little information that we have, he didn't just "yell in a store." Don't be so obtuse, you're actively discrediting yourself.

Further to that, helicopters are examples of a "militarized" police force? What an absolute stretch that one is!

[Bpeep]

It was nice to click on this page and read some old comments from Donald G.

[Atomoa]

I hardly think we have even close to enough information to assess this situation, and even based on the little information that we have, he didn't just "yell in a store." Don't be so obtuse, you're actively discrediting yourself.

Further to that, helicopters are examples of a "militarized" police force? What an absolute stretch that one is!

1. The story is pretty clear. A man was yelling in a store and he "could have" had a knife on his belt. I know about 20 people who carry a small utility knife on their belt.

2. The man didnt have a knife, didnt threaten anyone. He could have been returning a defective product and people got "uncomfortable". The man left without incident.

3. A very expensive helicopter was used.

4, Mentally ill people who may be actively aggravated are further aggravated by encircling police helicopters. The situation was escalated.

5. It's not "militarized" so much as it is overkill.

We pay for that chopper. We also pay when paranoid mentally ill people get spooked by overkill police actions and end up dead. We dont know all the details and the chopper could have been on some other mission but if the RCMP need a helicopter to deal with a upset customer this country is in trouble.

Next time I hope the police send that mental health nurse in, instead of the choppa.

[slootman]

So if police get a call that there's a guy screaming in a store and scaring people, and he may be armed, you'd rather the police do things half assed and maybe the person calling might be wrong maybe. The cops should just walk in with beachwear on and try to give him a hug. If it turns out the caller was right and the guy starts stabbing people oh well, at least they didn't overreact.

They respond to the information they're given, which is what you'd want them to do if your ever had to call them. Sounds like you should be whining about the person calling the cops, in which case this has zero to do with militarizing police.

[Symbonite]

If you really want to know what will happen if it ever does come to that point. Look at Boston during the marathon Bombing....Military combing the streets telling the civilians to be inside with curfew and everyone complying without hesitations. That 2nd amendment is what that is for. Guns to protect themselves from oppression or a government using a Standing Army.

[Fancy]

Chopped used because someone yelled in a store.

Really? Youu surmised this because of a news article? Or was the chopper in the air already and this incident was used as an exercise?

[Atomoa]

So if police get a call that there's a guy screaming in a store and scaring people, and he may be armed, you'd rather the police do things half assed and maybe the person calling might be wrong maybe. The cops should just walk in with beachwear on and try to give him a hug. If it turns out the caller was right and the guy starts stabbing people oh well, at least they didn't overreact.

What is the chopper going to do? Spit on the mentally ill man while he yells about how he is upset that he paid 50 dollars for a defective product?

We need air support for a angry customer?

I love how it goes from using air support to handle a angry customer to giving out hugs and rainbows. How about a simple measured response like calming the guy down and deescalating? I bet the police most likely did that Im just curious how air support would have helped in any way except to normalize overkill police action.

I've seen the chopper used to chase a guy on a stolen pedal bike, encircle a house because a guy didnt have a valid driver's licence and now this - a angry customer. Down in the US SWAT teams are routinely used serve "deadbeat dad" warrants to men who havent paid child support. Pretty soon it will all seem normal to have a gun in your face. Assault rifles at the peace ceremonies are the normal now!

[slootman]

What is the chopper going to do? Spit on the mentally ill man while he yells about how he is upset that he paid 50 dollars for a defective product?

We need air support for a angry customer?

I love how it goes from using air support to handle a angry customer to giving out hugs and rainbows. How about a simple measured response like calming the guy down and deescalating? I bet the police most likely did that Im just curious how air support would have helped in any way except to normalize overkill police action.

I've seen the chopper used to chase a guy on a stolen pedal bike, encircle a house because a guy didnt have a valid driver's licence and now this - a angry customer. Down in the US SWAT teams are routinely used serve "deadbeat dad" warrants to men who havent paid child support. Pretty soon it will all seem normal to have a gun in your face.

When the call came in they didn't know if he was mentally ill, an angry customer, or something else. All they had was what the caller said. Guy screaming in a store who may be armed. In which case a helicopter would be used for: surveillance/planning if he was taking hostages, infrared lenses in case he ran, video cameras in case he fled by car, and to record the incident in case needed in courts for the above scenarios. This is a reasonable response at the time given the information provided.

Or just get angry they didn't under react and risk the safety of themselves and others cuz helicopters are loud and might scare someone. Police should hug first, protect people second.

[Atomoa]

cuz helicopters are loud and might scare someone.

Yeah, like potentially mentally ill people who are already aggravated.