Freedom's Door 50 bed facility at Rutland & McCurdy Rd

[the truth]

not all will be clear and sober

Says you. They'll be more clean and sober than average people in Rutland.

they will have tolerance for some drug use

Says you. They have same policies in a number of houses they currently operate. Successfully I might add.

some will have to go because of parole or bail conditions with zero days clean

They won't accept people actively using drugs, and only accept people who have been clean for a long period of time. No people on bail or parole, where do you get this BS?

Stop spreading rumours and lies.

you say more clean and sober than the average people in rutland what a ignorant comment,why would you want this bs building in rutland then if that's how you see the people of rutland, let me guess the people in the mission , dilworth, westside and lake country are all sober all the time now that you have made it clear how you feel about the people of rutland it explains very well why you want want this bs building there

[JayByrd]

Anyone affected by drug addicts in their personal and friends life all know to well what addicts do. Until you know that side you don't have a clue the hell that a addict will put you and yours or their families through. So not fear tactics here its reality. Look around. If you don't see the problem then youre blind. We simply need to be careful what is around our schools and speak up. Cops don't allow people to grow pot within school area then know different then having a addiction recovery home of 49 placed so close either. We must ensure our family and kids are safe. And another location away from schools would be best suited for a facility like this.

I work about two blocks from the Freedom's Door location. My workplace is adjacent to the RSS/RMS property. My work is on a cul-de-sac, and quite often we see RSS students hanging out in the bushes, smoking a joint or whatever. Yesterday, my co-workers noticed a young person stashing something in the bushes. Out of curiosity, we retrieved it, though we were pretty sure what we'd find. A velcro lunch bag with two ziplock bags full of marijuana. A kid with that much on him has gotta be selling it.

We called the cops, and they came and took the stuff off our hands. A little while later, a rather distraught young man and young lady were rooting through the bushes. They looked about 14-15 years old.

I admire your stance on keeping drug users (even former ones) away from schools, but that ship's already sailed.

[the truth]

A question that was asked last night several times in several ways and was always side stepped was, "If a resident relapses, or misses curfew at night, what happens?" The answer to that was a quick "they are not allowed in to the facility". The question again asked by Councillor Singh but what happens? Same answer they aren't allowed in. So where do they go at 9 or 10 o'clock at night? One of the speakers at the mike enlightened us that at previous open house when asked the same question,TS said the person is escorted to the curb. THAT is what the Rutland residents are concerned about. There is no follow through to find alternate housing or to take them out of this Rutland residential community, they are shown to the curb. Do they walk over to the school grounds looking for a place to rest, do they find a bench or tree to huddle under at the park? Do the wander the streets? What happens to that person when they are not allowed back in the facility? There are no hotels up in that area, but there are lots of nice hidey places in the park, in some alleys, in some back yards.

That is the question that was side stepped all of last evening.

------exactly--------- when high they kick them to the curb ,, wow they do not care about the guy if he has a slip and they do not care about the rutland area ,says it all does it not, and freedoms door and there bs supporters are trying to tell us they care

[the truth]

Wait.

Another question just came to me.

Is 50 beds enough?

Do the rooms have enough ceiling height to accept bunk beds?

give it time

[Queen K]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#207111

We can have input over garbage cans and benches, but NO input over where the transition house will or will not go. ie: NOT close to schools.

What the is wrong with this city council? Something is deeply wrong with them.

[MrSandman]

castanet poll says most readers support the decision, you are part of a (very vocal) minority

[book11]

That poll is certainly not accurate. They should add where people live who are voting. If the Poll was for people in the area within 2 miles of the facility it would be 100% NO which should be who has the say here but unfortunately the City is not listening to us even though we are the ones that own property and have children walking past the facility.

It was interesting to see one of the councillors quoted on Castanet saying"

"If you can look me in the eye and honestly tell me you would be OK with this building right in the path of your children or your grandchildren, then go ahead and pass it," Stack read.

"I reflected on that, and I can honestly say I can look this woman in the eye and say I am OK with this."

If he had to "reflect" on it, does that not mean he had to really think about it- Right there it is a contradiction... He knows darn well, it is not a good area.

[kelownman]

castanet poll says most readers support the decision, you are part of a (very vocal) minority

lol, Yeah castanet polls are so accurate (sarcasm). These polls are controlled by the right wing who manipulate the poll by voting thousands of times to get the result they want!

[jasond_71]

The Howard House in Vernon had 3 former clients commit murder but remember this was a halfway house for ex convicts not a detox center. One of the murders was a home invasion just down the street right beside an elementary and high school. The Mayor demanded it closed at the time. Stupid thing is the Mayor was convicted of fraud a few years later.
I just think there are better places for it. Here is the article.
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/n ... dmail.com&

[JayByrd]

Freedom House is not a detox center either.

What happened in Vernon really has no bearing on this.

[jasond_71]

Sorry, yes semantics, it is a recovery center not a detox center. I still think there are better places for it. No one has really answered the question of where the addict will go if they are refused entrance for relapsing. Does the center at least pay for a taxi to take them somewhere?
Also, no one has answered the question about the poor woman whose property value will plummet if they put this center next to her house.
It's easy to say too bad for her if you don't live near this facility. I'm sure Colin would not say it is the right thing to do if it was next to his house.

[spooker]

Sorry, yes semantics, it is a recovery center not a detox center. I still think there are better places for it. No one has really answered the question of where the addict will go if they are refused entrance for relapsing. Does the center at least pay for a taxi to take them somewhere?
Also, no one has answered the question about the poor woman whose property value will plummet if they put this center next to her house.
It's easy to say too bad for her if you don't live near this facility. I'm sure Colin would not say it is the right thing to do if it was next to his house.

For the property value question, which I don't see any rationale for that expectation ... they just need to add bike lanes ... cycling and better pedestrian infrastructure increases property values ...

Living near downtown I see everything that happens out my front door ... homeless sleeping in the park ... ODs that end in ambulance trips and/or deaths ... people taking a crap in the garden box attached to my garage ... in the last 5 years my property value has increased over 50% ...

[jasond_71]

Everyone's value went up 50%. You live a block from the beach downtown. This woman will have a recovery building next door.
Let's say her house was $500,000. Now someone looking to buy it will say, I'm not buying next to a recovery center. So she would have to lower the price until it is cheap enough for someone to look past that. This one building will reduce her and other surrounding property values immediately.
This is totally different than increasing value with bike lanes.

[Scrobins94]

Funny how facts can be deceiving. All property values went up in the past 5 years. The correct question is, "will it have a negative impact on property value", and the answer is yes. Property values may go up (or down), but likely this would be a negative factor for property values. You can't honestly say that this will have a positive o zero impact on property values.

[Scrobins94]

Sorry, yes semantics, it is a recovery center not a detox center. I still think there are better places for it. No one has really answered the question of where the addict will go if they are refused entrance for relapsing. Does the center at least pay for a taxi to take them somewhere?
Also, no one has answered the question about the poor woman whose property value will plummet if they put this center next to her house.
It's easy to say too bad for her if you don't live near this facility. I'm sure Colin would not say it is the right thing to do if it was next to his house.

For the property value question, which I don't see any rationale for that expectation ... they just need to add bike lanes ... cycling and better pedestrian infrastructure increases property values ...

Living near downtown I see everything that happens out my front door ... homeless sleeping in the park ... ODs that end in ambulance trips and/or deaths ... people taking a crap in the garden box attached to my garage ... in the last 5 years my property value has increased over 50% ...

How interesting. These are the kinds of reasons why I chose not to live downtown. People like myself, and others who are detracted by these factors take away from the demand. And guess what, that has a negative influnce in property values.