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wanderer wrote:There are other properties besides agriculture land which are better suited for RV Parks and can be better regulated. It's easier to build on agriculture land is not a good reason. Agriculture land is not "empty" land, it has a use which we should ALL value.

wanderer wrote:First off this post is not directed at any particular owner of ALR land.

IMO RV Parks should never have been allowed on land in Kelowna that is designated agriculture. It's a Pandora's box I believe the city is now trying to close. Many farms have pieces of land that are not arable, often there are other agricultural uses for it such as barns, sheds, storage, parking of equipment, etc. NOT RV Parks. If you don't feel you can't survive on agriculture land you should never have bought in to it. If you inherited it then sell it and use the proceeds to buy something you can make money on within your skill set. There are many types of agriculture, in this case it sounds like keeping cattle on that piece of land in the summer was the best alternative for keeping it as agriculture, there are agriculture uses if you are imaginative and skilled enough. RV Parks on agriculture land should never have been allowed by the city in the first place. Wasn't it a city counselor who developed the first one? Many of these RV Parks on agriculture land have had work done making it irrevocably non arable ... permanent septic or sewer lines, rock crush and asphalt grindings for fill, etc. To remediate the land so it again has some semblance of arability is claimed to be cost restrictive, of course after the fact of work being done destroying the land. At times it seems these things have been done with the very intent to make it non arable. Many speculators have used these methods to get their land out of the ALR, and in the past the city may have been complicit. My impression is they are trying to change that.

If land is designated agriculture, if it is in the ALR, then people who purchase it have to know this and believe it will stay this way. Do not purchase agriculture land if you ultimately have some other agenda for it. Do not speculate that down the road you will be able to develop it. Do not cry in the future that the value of the land is devalued because of the ALR and you can't sell it to a developer, you knew that you were buying agriculture land in the first place. This has happened too many times in this city, and in this province. Unlike the prairies BC's arable land is limited by mountains, this is the reason we should be protecting all ALR land. Agriculture land in our city is a benefit to the sustainability and prosperity of our city, it's time people realized this.

wanderer wrote:First off this post is not directed at any particular owner of ALR land.

IMO RV Parks should never have been allowed on land in Kelowna that is designated agriculture. It's a Pandora's box I believe the city is now trying to close. Many farms have pieces of land that are not arable, often there are other agricultural uses for it such as barns, sheds, storage, parking of equipment, etc. NOT RV Parks. If you don't feel you can't survive on agriculture land you should never have bought in to it. If you inherited it then sell it and use the proceeds to buy something you can make money on within your skill set. There are many types of agriculture, in this case it sounds like keeping cattle on that piece of land in the summer was the best alternative for keeping it as agriculture, there are agriculture uses if you are imaginative and skilled enough. RV Parks on agriculture land should never have been allowed by the city in the first place. Wasn't it a city counselor who developed the first one? Many of these RV Parks on agriculture land have had work done making it irrevocably non arable ... permanent septic or sewer lines, rock crush and asphalt grindings for fill, etc. To remediate the land so it again has some semblance of arability is claimed to be cost restrictive, of course after the fact of work being done destroying the land. At times it seems these things have been done with the very intent to make it non arable. Many speculators have used these methods to get their land out of the ALR, and in the past the city may have been complicit. My impression is they are trying to change that.

If land is designated agriculture, if it is in the ALR, then people who purchase it have to know this and believe it will stay this way. Do not purchase agriculture land if you ultimately have some other agenda for it. Do not speculate that down the road you will be able to develop it. Do not cry in the future that the value of the land is devalued because of the ALR and you can't sell it to a developer, you knew that you were buying agriculture land in the first place. This has happened too many times in this city, and in this province. Unlike the prairies BC's arable land is limited by mountains, this is the reason we should be protecting all ALR land. Agriculture land in our city is a benefit to the sustainability and prosperity of our city, it's time people realized this.

713mace wrote:The tenants of Calvin's RV PARK are going to be filing or have already filed complaints with the BCHRT. As of Dec. 1st, 2017 when everyone is supposed to leave Kuiper's property and the BCHRT filing may keep those tenants here longer than what Walter White and City Hall Hired Goons want. Eventually, the Sheriff may be brought in, but ultimately why City Hall will pay $5000 per individual abode for vacating fees along with the public taxpayer's money to the Supreme Court only to prove they can violate a person civil rights is beyond me? This being another Agri-Genomics ploy by members of the Ministry of Argriculture BC and Kelwona City Hall to uproot people in every mainstream part of society- who otherwise who listen and abide by the rules of being residents- at Calvin's Farm. City Hall treat these uprooted few as Livestock or Cattle. This being the issue to treat people like livestock, in a zero% vacancy rate in Kelowna is why a BCHRT complaint is necessary to change these 'fly by night by-laws. Have not made a single attempt to contact or relocate any of the RV Park's Tenants.

W105 wrote:Padre, sorry that your going to be evicted, but Bylaws are in place for a reason...

GordonH wrote:

wanderer wrote:There are other properties besides agriculture land which are better suited for RV Parks and can be better regulated. It's easier to build on agriculture land is not a good reason. Agriculture land is not "empty" land, it has a use which we should ALL value.

I know of area about 10 hectares (just shy of 25 acres) in size next to main city road (CoK) that is in ALR, has sat empty (Flat bottom land) of any farming for nearly 20 years if not longer.

GordonH wrote:

wanderer wrote:There are other properties besides agriculture land which are better suited for RV Parks and can be better regulated. It's easier to build on agriculture land is not a good reason. Agriculture land is not "empty" land, it has a use which we should ALL value.

I know of area about 10 hectares (just shy of 25 acres) in size next to main city road (CoK) that is in ALR, has sat empty (Flat bottom land) of any farming for nearly 20 years if not longer.

Padre wrote:This RV Park sits on land unusable for agriculture that's why he put it here

alanjh595 wrote:and you have personal knowledge of this piece of land? If trees can grow on the South slope of Dilworth mountain without any human intervention/assistance......what agricultural expertise do you have to substantiate that statement?

What conditions make it "unusable?