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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby WalterWhite » Aug 28th, 2017, 5:00 pm

Mtn Biker wrote:Kind of sad that this type of story generates 2 pages of comments and yet a person is pummeled by two others, taken to hospital and no discussion. Says a lot about Kelowna and its priorities. Cyclists before thugs.


I hear what you're saying. Fortunately the two dirtbags were caught. No update on the victim's condition that I'm aware of - hopefully nothing too serious and a full recovery (and a couple of minutes in the jail cell with the two that beat him - along with a baseball bat for him to practice his swing).

It's not that this so-called news item would be considered more important - more a matter of simply shining a light on some of the absurdity that goes on around here on a daily basis and a brief insight into the mentality of some - or lack thereof.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby westbankkid » Aug 28th, 2017, 8:47 pm

spooker wrote:Lot's of assumptions here ... as usual ... nothing in the article said that he left them sitting there in the lane ... yes, I would expect (hope) that he'd take a foot and brush them off the lane ... but I like to think people are reasonably good on the whole so I could be completely wrong ...

Like techrtr, I see worse on a daily basis but that is definitely road debris (not going to get into the crap that people throw out their windows) ... but with the advent lately of more incidents that seem targeted at cyclists I wouldn't completely dismiss this ... I've heard complaints from drivers about cyclists in this area ... coming over the hill I love seeing if I can break any speed limits and will usually merge into the traffic so as to not be surprised in the bike lane with someone coming out of Longhill ...

And considering last fall I had a tire and tube skewered by a flat piece of non-sharp metal that was in the bike lane along Enterprise these might not be as quick to damage as nails and tacks but with the speed coming down that hill it could put someone in the hospital ...


If you read all the article you would see he complained to the city and told them to clean them up. I hope all bike riders arn't that much of an IDIOT!!!!
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby spooker » Aug 28th, 2017, 9:31 pm

I've really got to learn not to react to other users here ... since I wouldn't have said anything about the article in the first place I shouldn't have said anything in response to what people were reading into it ...

I did appreciate the first poster who said that it looked like a box of OLFA blades might've fallen off a truck ... especially since that was a curve where something could've fallen that direction while a vehicle was travelling that route ... that should've been where it stopped ...
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby lightspeed » Aug 29th, 2017, 5:48 am

Green-light wrote:This was CLEARLY NOT sabotage.
What this is, CLEARLY IS another disgruntled spandex princess that missed the ball.
Missed the ball.
Sugarplum fairy balls are gross.
Our mayor is a bent-over, pushed over plastic wall flower not worthy of his seat.
Another fully embarrassing display by our so called leader.

Utterly pathetic that this pansy-arse wants the city to clean up what mess he left behind.
If he walked away from this life endangering hazard without picking up the blades and disposing of them, then he not only left them behind, but is at least as guilty if not more guilty than the person who used to own the blades.

As for what the bike riding pansy should have done about it. How about pick them up and carry them in one hand while walking your bike with the other hand directly to the nearest disposal bin, basket or box. Place deadly flat blades in the receptacle and ride away knowing you've saved a whale, a seal and elephant and all we know of humanity. We can only wish to have had such saviors before the dodo went MIA.


So true.

Way too much drama in Kelowna.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby Queen K » Aug 29th, 2017, 8:40 am

Mtn Biker wrote:Kind of sad that this type of story generates 2 pages of comments and yet a person is pummeled by two others, taken to hospital and no discussion. Says a lot about Kelowna and its priorities. Cyclists before thugs.


Having said that, those threads about victims getting beat up quickly degenerate into "why did he deserve to get beat up" and speculation turns wild.

The limp-wristed pansy *bleep* spandex clad never-did-a-days-work cyclist is way more fun to kick around because quite frankly most teenagers would know how to pick up the blades and safely dispose of them.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby spooker » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:38 pm

This was posted by the cyclist in another forum I participate in:

Whether you disagree with me reporting it to castanet etc or not, I’m glad that 1) it got cleaned up quickly and 2) there’s some debate over this. Matt, Lee, and Mike I respect your opinions and how you think you would have handled it. I just want to add a bit of detail of what happened that morning. As you could hear from my voice I was pretty alarmed to see so many blades in the bike lane. I ride down Sexsmith most mornings and yes I regularly roll over bit of glass, screws, nails and other debris. I know it’s normal to run into that stuff as a commuter cyclist. Because I was going so fast down the bend that morning I actually thought I had simply run over bits of a halogen bulb and it was just an unfortunate flat. *bleep* happens. After I managed to safely stop beside cemetery to examine the damage, I saw my rear tire and tube were sliced clean rim to rim, sidewall to sidewall. I was pretty amazed but I still thought nothing of it. I put in a new tube and Macgyver’d the tire enough to get home. I grabbed my 2nd bike, and rode back the same way. My jaw dropped when I realized it wasn’t a halogen bulb on the road, but box cutter blades. I didn’t see a box, blade handle, or a blister pack that would indicate it rolled off a truck. The blades being so close to the intersection on Longhill was quite alarming. It’s possible that a less experienced cyclist could swerve the wrong way or be unable to maintain control through the intersection. One could also imagine what could happen if a very fast group ride rolled through all those blades.

In any event, my reptilian brain thought the best course of action at the time was to escalate it quickly to prevent anyone getting hurt. Maybe it’s sensationalism to you, but I prefer to think it’s helping to prevent the worst.

Maybe you’d handle it differently, that’s fine, but I did what I thought best at the time. Like everyone else, I also hope it was just an accident and there isn’t an actual psychopath trying to hurt cyclists. Regardless I’m glad the community is talking about it and thinking about what they’d do in case it happens to them. Cheers.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby WalterWhite » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:53 pm

spooker wrote:This was posted by the cyclist in another forum I participate in:

Whether you disagree with me reporting it to castanet etc or not, I’m glad that 1) it got cleaned up quickly and 2) there’s some debate over this. Matt, Lee, and Mike I respect your opinions and how you think you would have handled it. I just want to add a bit of detail of what happened that morning. As you could hear from my voice I was pretty alarmed to see so many blades in the bike lane. I ride down Sexsmith most mornings and yes I regularly roll over bit of glass, screws, nails and other debris. I know it’s normal to run into that stuff as a commuter cyclist. Because I was going so fast down the bend that morning I actually thought I had simply run over bits of a halogen bulb and it was just an unfortunate flat. *bleep* happens. After I managed to safely stop beside cemetery to examine the damage, I saw my rear tire and tube were sliced clean rim to rim, sidewall to sidewall. I was pretty amazed but I still thought nothing of it. I put in a new tube and Macgyver’d the tire enough to get home. I grabbed my 2nd bike, and rode back the same way. My jaw dropped when I realized it wasn’t a halogen bulb on the road, but box cutter blades. I didn’t see a box, blade handle, or a blister pack that would indicate it rolled off a truck. The blades being so close to the intersection on Longhill was quite alarming. It’s possible that a less experienced cyclist could swerve the wrong way or be unable to maintain control through the intersection. One could also imagine what could happen if a very fast group ride rolled through all those blades.

In any event, my reptilian brain thought the best course of action at the time was to escalate it quickly to prevent anyone getting hurt. Maybe it’s sensationalism to you, but I prefer to think it’s helping to prevent the worst.

Maybe you’d handle it differently, that’s fine, but I did what I thought best at the time. Like everyone else, I also hope it was just an accident and there isn’t an actual psychopath trying to hurt cyclists. Regardless I’m glad the community is talking about it and thinking about what they’d do in case it happens to them. Cheers.


Sorry, but this does nothing to change my view of the incident as initially reported - or of Steve Quilala. This secondary account actually makes me think he's back-peddling (pardon the pun) just a bit in an attempt to rationalize his actions. Sorry Stev-o - you're still an entitled snowflake in my books.

ETA: - and the criticism is equally directed towards Castanet for the story they ran, and Mayor Sugarplum for, well, being a sugarplum rather than an actual mayor.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby Fancy » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:55 pm

Thanks for posting that. Certainly will make everyone think about it some more.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby WalterWhite » Sep 1st, 2017, 7:55 am

I wonder how many of the cycling groups/clubs in Kelowna are part of the Adopt-A-Road program through the City of Kelowna? Do any of the local clubs hold monthly/bi-weekly meetings to hold cleanups of the bike lanes they seem to feel are kept in sub-standard condition for their use? Why not try to be stewards of their community cycling areas and hold community cleanups - rather than simply whining? How about holding some fundraising, or even approach one of the local retailers to support your endeavors by procuring a portable magnet sweeper you could tow behind a bike during one of your cleanup events. Look at what groups such as the Okanagan Forest Task Force have been able to accomplish with a bit of direct help through these very forums.

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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby spooker » Sep 1st, 2017, 9:56 am

WalterWhite wrote:I wonder how many of the cycling groups/clubs in Kelowna are part of the Adopt-A-Road program through the City of Kelowna? Do any of the local clubs hold monthly/bi-weekly meetings to hold cleanups of the bike lanes they seem to feel are kept in sub-standard condition for their use? Why not try to be stewards of their community cycling areas and hold community cleanups - rather than simply whining? How about holding some fundraising, or even approach one of the local retailers to support your endeavors by procuring a portable magnet sweeper you could tow behind a bike during one of your cleanup events. Look at what groups such as the Okanagan Forest Task Force have been able to accomplish with a bit of direct help through these very forums.


That's a very good idea ... I still have my safety vest, pylons, and work broom that I purchased back in 2010 to try and spur that very activity ... there were a total of 2 other people that joined me to sweep the lanes along Sutherland free from the winter sand ... after that the numbers didn't swell ... couldn't get the moral outrage generated to engage more people ...

If we adopt Enterprise, how will drivers like it when we pylon off the work area during the day? need at least an extra 4 feet of clearance while sweeping and you know that regular people aren't going to be that fast ... sort of a damned if we do and damned if we don't ...

Cyclists are already giving money to the City to keep roads clean, why do they have to add sweat equity?

I say all this but I still go out and clear the lanes when it gets really bad near my house and I have an extra half-hour ...
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby WalterWhite » Sep 1st, 2017, 10:42 am

spooker wrote:
WalterWhite wrote:I wonder how many of the cycling groups/clubs in Kelowna are part of the Adopt-A-Road program through the City of Kelowna? Do any of the local clubs hold monthly/bi-weekly meetings to hold cleanups of the bike lanes they seem to feel are kept in sub-standard condition for their use? Why not try to be stewards of their community cycling areas and hold community cleanups - rather than simply whining? How about holding some fundraising, or even approach one of the local retailers to support your endeavors by procuring a portable magnet sweeper you could tow behind a bike during one of your cleanup events. Look at what groups such as the Okanagan Forest Task Force have been able to accomplish with a bit of direct help through these very forums.


That's a very good idea ... I still have my safety vest, pylons, and work broom that I purchased back in 2010 to try and spur that very activity ... there were a total of 2 other people that joined me to sweep the lanes along Sutherland free from the winter sand ... after that the numbers didn't swell ... couldn't get the moral outrage generated to engage more people ...

If we adopt Enterprise, how will drivers like it when we pylon off the work area during the day? need at least an extra 4 feet of clearance while sweeping and you know that regular people aren't going to be that fast ... sort of a damned if we do and damned if we don't ...

Cyclists are already giving money to the City to keep roads clean, why do they have to add sweat equity?

I say all this but I still go out and clear the lanes when it gets really bad near my house and I have an extra half-hour ...


Interesting you say moral outrage needs to be generated before cyclists will participate in any form of clean up. Do cyclists not simply have any civic pride in bettering the community they live in? I don't hear about Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts - or any of the many other community groups requiring moral outrage before they organize their Adopt-A-Road clean ups. Why do cyclists need to be outraged before they feel motivated to take action?

Maybe Enterprise isn't the best choice of roads to adopt. I don't think the traffic is too bad there on an early Sunday morning. Organizing a clean up for a Monday during the morning commute certainly wouldn't be the best for anyone.

Your sweat equity is required because the road cycling community is the only one complaining that the roads - bike lanes specifically aren't clean enough. Most other residents don't have an issue - and don't use them like road cyclists do.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby spooker » Sep 1st, 2017, 12:05 pm

WalterWhite wrote:Interesting you say moral outrage needs to be generated before cyclists will participate in any form of clean up. Do cyclists not simply have any civic pride in bettering the community they live in? I don't hear about Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts - or any of the many other community groups requiring moral outrage before they organize their Adopt-A-Road clean ups. Why do cyclists need to be outraged before they feel motivated to take action?

Maybe Enterprise isn't the best choice of roads to adopt. I don't think the traffic is too bad there on an early Sunday morning. Organizing a clean up for a Monday during the morning commute certainly wouldn't be the best for anyone.

Your sweat equity is required because the road cycling community is the only one complaining that the roads - bike lanes specifically aren't clean enough. Most other residents don't have an issue - and don't use them like road cyclists do.


I use the term "moral outrage" as that is what I see as the driving force behind the outpouring of support for OFTF ... currently people's lives seem to be too busy and apathy too prevalent for "just doing the right thing" to be the motivation ... I'd love the time to participate with OFTF but I have to wait a few more years when my kid can go with me ...

Grassroots efforts are tough to organize from a part-time perspective ... I've seen too many volunteers burn-out over the years with the groups I participate in ...

Part of the issue that is trying to be addressed is the large percentage of people who don't ride because they don't feel safe ... it's the catch-22 ... effort will be made when there is enough quantified usage but the usage won't grow until the effort is made ...

Another example, Safeway downtown removed the small bike rack on the front walk a couple of weeks ago ... they have two larger racks out in the far corner of the parking lot near the intersection of Bernard and Richter ... I've met several cyclists who are peeved about it ... but so far I'm the only one who has actually gone as far as finding the manager and talking about the issue ... attitudes are either "if it doesn't kill me I won't spend too much time worrying about it" or "no one will give a crap anyway"
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby lightspeed » Sep 1st, 2017, 12:54 pm

spooker wrote:
WalterWhite wrote:I wonder how many of the cycling groups/clubs in Kelowna are part of the Adopt-A-Road program through the City of Kelowna? Do any of the local clubs hold monthly/bi-weekly meetings to hold cleanups of the bike lanes they seem to feel are kept in sub-standard condition for their use? Why not try to be stewards of their community cycling areas and hold community cleanups - rather than simply whining? How about holding some fundraising, or even approach one of the local retailers to support your endeavors by procuring a portable magnet sweeper you could tow behind a bike during one of your cleanup events. Look at what groups such as the Okanagan Forest Task Force have been able to accomplish with a bit of direct help through these very forums.


That's a very good idea ... I still have my safety vest, pylons, and work broom that I purchased back in 2010 to try and spur that very activity ... there were a total of 2 other people that joined me to sweep the lanes along Sutherland free from the winter sand ... after that the numbers didn't swell ... couldn't get the moral outrage generated to engage more people ...

If we adopt Enterprise, how will drivers like it when we pylon off the work area during the day? need at least an extra 4 feet of clearance while sweeping and you know that regular people aren't going to be that fast ... sort of a damned if we do and damned if we don't ...

Cyclists are already giving money to the City to keep roads clean, why do they have to add sweat equity?

I say all this but I still go out and clear the lanes when it gets really bad near my house and I have an extra half-hour ...


Road sweep at night. Simples.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby rookie314 » Sep 1st, 2017, 1:40 pm

spooker wrote:This was posted by the cyclist in another forum I participate in:

Whether you disagree with me reporting it to castanet etc or not, I’m glad that 1) it got cleaned up quickly and 2) there’s some debate over this. Matt, Lee, and Mike I respect your opinions and how you think you would have handled it. I just want to add a bit of detail of what happened that morning. As you could hear from my voice I was pretty alarmed to see so many blades in the bike lane. I ride down Sexsmith most mornings and yes I regularly roll over bit of glass, screws, nails and other debris. I know it’s normal to run into that stuff as a commuter cyclist. Because I was going so fast down the bend that morning I actually thought I had simply run over bits of a halogen bulb and it was just an unfortunate flat. *bleep* happens. After I managed to safely stop beside cemetery to examine the damage, I saw my rear tire and tube were sliced clean rim to rim, sidewall to sidewall. I was pretty amazed but I still thought nothing of it. I put in a new tube and Macgyver’d the tire enough to get home. I grabbed my 2nd bike, and rode back the same way. My jaw dropped when I realized it wasn’t a halogen bulb on the road, but box cutter blades. I didn’t see a box, blade handle, or a blister pack that would indicate it rolled off a truck. The blades being so close to the intersection on Longhill was quite alarming. It’s possible that a less experienced cyclist could swerve the wrong way or be unable to maintain control through the intersection. One could also imagine what could happen if a very fast group ride rolled through all those blades.

In any event, my reptilian brain thought the best course of action at the time was to escalate it quickly to prevent anyone getting hurt. Maybe it’s sensationalism to you, but I prefer to think it’s helping to prevent the worst.

Maybe you’d handle it differently, that’s fine, but I did what I thought best at the time. Like everyone else, I also hope it was just an accident and there isn’t an actual psychopath trying to hurt cyclists. Regardless I’m glad the community is talking about it and thinking about what they’d do in case it happens to them. Cheers.


Seems to me if you didn't want it to happen to anyone else the logical solution was to pick them up. Geezzz.
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Re: Cyclist Sensationalism

Postby spooker » Sep 12th, 2017, 3:55 pm

This one wasn't an accident ...

Someone removed 16 storm drain grates in the bike lanes along Springfield today (or last night) ... it was reported to the city and they have been able to recover them from below ...

A charity ride in North Carolina for The MS Society was marred last weekend by tacks strewn across the paths used ... http://www.witn.com/content/news/Tacks-scattered-along-charity-bike-route-cause-flats-for-cyclists-443619513.html

Maybe it's not paranoia since it seems like there are people out there to hurt cyclists?
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