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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Old Techie » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:00 am

Fancy wrote:What if England refuses to take him? After all, he did grow up here and has no ties to England.


Wondered about that myself, but I have noted some other cases where someone without any ties to England at all was deported back there.
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Fancy » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:04 am

I was just thinking it's possible the UK will refuse him because of his criminal convictions and that is based on other countries refusing their own citizens that has been in the media lately.
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Fancy » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:07 am

Tfishwood wrote:He hasn’t served his time for those assaults yet !
He received a suspended sentence and probation of two years. It's been over two years now.
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby jimmy4321 » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:20 am

He's a citizen of England, a country that has a similar type justice system. I can't see a more compelling reason to ship him off.
The only time i'd not agree with sending criminals off is when it's terrorists. I rather we imprison convicted terrorists where we KNOW where they are., not to ship them off to their *bleep* hole country only for them to creep back into North America to cause more harm.

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Re: HA associate deported

Postby JayByrd » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:30 am

I appreciate your stance on this Old Techie, and I tend to agree. Like you, I'm not losing sleep over this fellow's fate, but he's "one of ours" in every meaningful way short of actually being a citizen. I am glad he received due process though.
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby jimmy4321 » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:33 am

How is NOT being a citizen "one of ours"? Lol
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby GordonH » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:33 am

JayByrd wrote:I appreciate your stance on this Old Techie, and I tend to agree. Like you, I'm not losing sleep over this fellow's fate, but he's "one of ours" in every meaningful way short of actually being a citizen. I am glad he received due process though.


Except citizenship is a very big one.

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Re: HA associate deported

Postby lesliepaul » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:44 am

I did not see murder on his resume..........but if many want to ship him off to England you are entitled to that opinion. When I read about ANOTHER murder in Vancouver/Surrey and something that has been going on for what........20 to 25 years at this frequency, I see the VAST majority of the victims and killers of one nationality (oooooo........me bad) and please do not refer to them as Canadian. The police in fact go out of their way and warn them that there are other gang members out there looking for them.............I'd be putting bulls eyes on their backs. There would be a boat sitting at the dock waiting to be filled up with these gang members and can easily have a weekly departure time.

This HA's deportation for what is on the minor side, is nothing in the big picture compared to what we read about almost daily from other criminal groups...........and the ones that are most likely to kill any one of us anytime, anywhere.

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Re: HA associate deported

Postby dogspoiler » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:45 am

If England doesn't want him, just drop him off halfway until the lawyers figure it out.

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Re: HA associate deported

Postby maryjane48 » Oct 19th, 2017, 10:59 am

lesliepaul wrote:I did not see murder on his resume..........but if many want to ship him off to England you are entitled to that opinion. When I read about ANOTHER murder in Vancouver/Surrey and something that has been going on for what........20 to 25 years at this frequency, I see the VAST majority of the victims and killers of one nationality (oooooo........me bad) and please do not refer to them as Canadian. The police in fact go out of their way and warn them that there are other ganig members out there looking for them.............I'd be putting bulls eyes on their backs. There would be a boat sitting at the dock waiting to be filled up with these gang members and can easily have a weekly departure time.

This HA's deportation for what is on the minor side, is nothing in the big picture compared to what we read about almost daily from other criminal groups...........and the ones that are most likely to kill any one of us anytime, anywhere.

what nationality are you talking about . i agree with you but i want you to say it
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Catri » Oct 19th, 2017, 11:08 am

Fancy wrote:What if England refuses to take him? After all, he did grow up here and has no ties to England.


I don't think the UK can refuse him entry. One of the things that citizenship entitles you to is entry into the country. What they do with him after that is up to them.
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Fancy » Oct 19th, 2017, 11:13 am

US is having problems with other countries refusing their deported citizens which is why I mentioned it.

Interesting perspective:
http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/the- ... hipped-out
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby GordonH » Oct 19th, 2017, 11:15 am

lesliepaul wrote:I did not see murder on his resume..........but if many want to ship him off to England you are entitled to that opinion. When I read about ANOTHER murder in Vancouver/Surrey and something that has been going on for what........20 to 25 years at this frequency, I see the VAST majority of the victims and killers of one nationality (oooooo........me bad) and please do not refer to them as Canadian. The police in fact go out of their way and warn them that there are other gang members out there looking for them.............I'd be putting bulls eyes on their backs. There would be a boat sitting at the dock waiting to be filled up with these gang members and can easily have a weekly departure time.

This HA's deportation for what is on the minor side, is nothing in the big picture compared to what we read about almost daily from other criminal groups...........and the ones that are most likely to kill any one of us anytime, anywhere.


impo anyone who commits a crime and is not a Canadian citizen/or has citizenship.
Should be deported for minor crimes (when found guilty by the courts), as for major crime serve the sentence from the courts. The moment that has been served then be deported.

Absolutely no motion to delay deportation
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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Catri » Oct 19th, 2017, 11:25 am

Old Techie wrote:Ummmmm.......... story stated that he's been in Canada since the age of ten years old.

At that age I doubt he was a criminal or ineligible, and I speak somewhat from experience, given that my parents were immigrants and when they became citizens, I as well was a part of that process at a young age of about eight, hence this could very well have been a case of neglecting to do the proper paperwork for a child.

What you've posted doesn't really fit this scenario as it's more a case of his parents being negligent.


It's possible his parents still aren't citizens either. There is no rule that says you must take Canadian citizenship just because you live here. I know someone who has lived here since 1976 and is still a PR. There is no negligence there. Furthermore, this man has had 35 years to apply as an adult for citizenship. I have been through the citizenship process with my immigrant husband within the last 5 years. It's not that difficult a process to navigate if you're already in the country as a PR and aren't a criminal. If he had wanted the protection of Canadian citizenship, he should have applied for it. As I said, I suspect he didn't because he knew he was ineligible.

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Re: HA associate deported

Postby Fancy » Oct 19th, 2017, 11:30 am

Revell argued to the Immigration and Refugee Board last year that he never would have pleaded guilty in the assault case if he had known it would lead the CBSA to renew a review of his admissibility that had been on hold after the 2008 conviction.
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