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The Okanagan Loop

The Okanagan Loop

Postby AlienSoldier » Oct 31st, 2017, 8:39 am

Imagine a transit/streetcar loop around the Okanagan lake, connecting the airport, University, Vernon, West Kelowna and downtown Kelowna.

People could hope on and off at various area's boosting tourism and efficiently move people around all of the centers. It would be an economic booster like the University and such! Many urban area's have such things and it helps them promote the City further.

What are your thoughts?

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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby gman313 » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:03 am

AlienSoldier wrote:Imagine a transit/streetcar loop around the Okanagan lake, connecting the airport, University, Vernon, West Kelowna and downtown Kelowna.

People could hope on and off at various area's boosting tourism and efficiently move people around all of the centers. It would be an economic booster like the University and such! Many urban area's have such things and it helps them promote the City further.

What are your thoughts?


love the idea in theory. I know they have looked at high speed and/or mass transit. I don't think we have the population to support it, even with tourism. Will we? maybe one day. The valley also only has so much resources and space.

I think it is wise to leave the corridor open. we may get there.

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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby lightspeed » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:21 am

Imagine if the rail trail was a new light transit system. Build on a 3p model.

Hmm....vision. Catering to local residents, rather than tourists.
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby gman313 » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:22 am

lightspeed wrote:Imagine if the rail trail was a new light transit system. Build on a 3p model.

Hmm....vision. Catering to local residents, rather than tourists.


I don't think that line would get much use. people love their cars

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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby AlienSoldier » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:25 am

gman313 wrote:
AlienSoldier wrote:Imagine a transit/streetcar loop around the Okanagan lake, connecting the airport, University, Vernon, West Kelowna and downtown Kelowna.

People could hope on and off at various area's boosting tourism and efficiently move people around all of the centers. It would be an economic booster like the University and such! Many urban area's have such things and it helps them promote the City further.

What are your thoughts?


love the idea in theory. I know they have looked at high speed and/or mass transit. I don't think we have the population to support it, even with tourism. Will we? maybe one day. The valley also only has so much resources and space.

I think it is wise to leave the corridor open. we may get there.

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In countries like Germany they build the railnetworks out places where no one lives and at the stations they make that the center of town and suddenly the values start going up and people are moving there. It brings everything together in a very beautiful way.

Also, we don't need high speed, or even low speed rail. Light rail like LRV's/streetcars to start with would be fine and are designed for densities such as the Okanagan's.

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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby gman313 » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:28 am

good points. so last question how do we change the car loving mentality?

I specifically chose a place to live where I could actually walk to work. I am fortunate enough to walk the waterfront every day. 30 min in, 30 min out. Bad day at work is out of your head by the time you get home and you feel great.

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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby tylerdaniels » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:38 am

I think this sounds as silly as when those people who ran for council in the last election who wanted to dig up the street to downtown and fill it with the lake water so it was more accessible to boaters.

Most of Okanagan lake is not very populated, this would serve no real purpose other than looking scenic to tourist.
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby JayByrd » Oct 31st, 2017, 9:41 am

tylerdaniels wrote:I think this sounds as silly as when those people who ran for council in the last election who wanted to dig up the street to downtown and fill it with the lake water so it was more accessible to boaters.


Wasn't that an April Fool's joke?
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby Scrobins94 » Oct 31st, 2017, 10:31 am

Great idea, I think it would eliminate a lot of congestion.

Kal Lake
Okanagan College Vernon
Kelowna Airport
UBCO
Costco (or HWY97/33 intersection)
Orchard Park Mall
Okanagan College Kelowna
Downtown
West Kelowna (some winery)

I know a lot of people would take it and so would I.

If they also built a stop (or stops) out of the center of town they could build a lot of high density buildings that are commutable even for low income people. This would be a very attractive investment for a developer, HUGE selling point.
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby Omnitheo » Oct 31st, 2017, 10:34 am

JayByrd wrote:
tylerdaniels wrote:I think this sounds as silly as when those people who ran for council in the last election who wanted to dig up the street to downtown and fill it with the lake water so it was more accessible to boaters.


Wasn't that an April Fool's joke?


It was, but before that it was a very real suggestion by the John Zeger/Andy Thompson crowd.
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby alanjh595 » Oct 31st, 2017, 10:40 am

How much would it cost?
How long would it take?
How often would it run and at what hours?
How many busses would be needed?
What would the fare be?
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby Omnitheo » Oct 31st, 2017, 10:42 am

As for light rail. The city could benefit from a system going from Westbank town center to the airport. With a stop on the west side, downtown kelown, orchard park mall, and Rutland.

Each stops would need inexpensive park and ride stations as well.

As much as people like their cars. It would still be much simpler for a westk resident to walk or drive 5 mins to the train, and catch 20 min train to the mall. In fact, nearly every study has shown how this would reduce traffic, and also boost wealth in the regions with easy access to the train.

Advantages of trains over buses is reliability of service. Both more frequent and more timely. Aside from initial investment, it would eventually be cheaper than an equivalent bus route due to fuel. With a total of only about 6 stops, it would also be far more secure, as each of these stops could be easily monitored with security cameras and lighting as opposed to most bus stops.

This certainly should be something for the city to consider as it continues to grow.
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby Even Steven » Oct 31st, 2017, 3:36 pm

It sounds wonderful but it would never be profitable as the population isn't there. There would be like 5 people going from Kelowna to Vernon on a giant *bleep* train. Look at how many people Greyhound moves with their buses and imagine that number being spread over the entire day.

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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby southy » Oct 31st, 2017, 4:26 pm

Instead of thinking rail (cost prohibitive) why not a regional bus service. Northern Ontario has Northern Bus Lines owned by the province and is a great competitor to Greyhound with great schedules and fares. Why couldn't someone create Okanagan Bus Lines. Company could be funded and controlled by all three cities or involve the regional districts. It would run multi-times from Osoyoos to Vernon daily basis with additional scheduled runs between the major centres and perhaps Kelowna Airport but it could be a great revenue produce and provide a needed service. Would also get a large number of vehicles off the road. Not sure how BC Transit would feel but hey are they really servicing our areas? Better than rail. Marketed properly could be a wonderful alternative for tourists as well.
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Re: The Okanagan Loop

Postby spooker » Oct 31st, 2017, 7:54 pm

southy wrote:Instead of thinking rail (cost prohibitive) why not a regional bus service. Northern Ontario has Northern Bus Lines owned by the province and is a great competitor to Greyhound with great schedules and fares. Why couldn't someone create Okanagan Bus Lines. Company could be funded and controlled by all three cities or involve the regional districts. It would run multi-times from Osoyoos to Vernon daily basis with additional scheduled runs between the major centres and perhaps Kelowna Airport but it could be a great revenue produce and provide a needed service. Would also get a large number of vehicles off the road. Not sure how BC Transit would feel but hey are they really servicing our areas? Better than rail. Marketed properly could be a wonderful alternative for tourists as well.


Most analysis for rail vs highway ends up with the rail coming out as more cost effective when everything is factored in (yes, even the cost of the cars needs to be counted) ... while upfront costs for rail would seem larger, apportioned out over the lifetime it comes out lower ...

And when you have rail that doesn't have to share the road with SOVs or trucks ... winner winner turkey dinner!
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