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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby Verum » Nov 24th, 2017, 5:57 pm

Even Steven wrote:
Verum wrote:While I appreciate some people like Vancouver's architecture, I don't really think that Vancouver is particularly attractive.

Ok. Can you point me towards a typical residential tower that is beautiful in your eyes?

Not VPL or Science World, these are one-off commercial projects, I'm talking about a typical residential tower where people live. I've never walked anywhere and said "Oh my, this is a beautiful condo building". There are some, like Trump tower in Vancouver, but all of them are sold at the premium to a premium crowd. If they were to spend the extra money on beautiful architecture and custom-made design the price would definitely sky rocket and they wouldn't be able to sell it to the general public (and general public would moan and groan about overpriced condos).

Same reason you see so many cookie-cutter houses and not a whole lot of custom-made ones. The latter cost a lot more money, far from everybody can afford it. And if developer was to sell their custom-designed houses at cookie-cutter prices they'd just go out of business, margins would get eaten up by customization.

The Montevideo in Rotterdam is interesting and residential, though probably not beautiful. Still vastly better than what is being proposed. It is not exactly a premium tower either. It's even more interesting than Trump tower Vancouver, which is just an ordinary glass tower with a literal twist (I can imagine how that meeting went- let's do a glass tower, but with a twist). I certainly wouldn't describe either as beautiful, but I know which I would like to see on the horizon.

Actually, both Rotterdam and Hamburg have some interesting architecture. They also do high-density living very well. We could definitely learn from them.
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby maple leaf » Nov 24th, 2017, 6:02 pm

Even Steven wrote:
maple leaf wrote:Mix it up some with making each one unique and different heights.


I don't understand why people always expect the buildings to be marvels of modern archetectur and things of beauty.

Why?

It doesn't have to be. Sure we don't want our city to look like North Korea but these are just fine, looks good enough though typical. To make them unique and extra beautiful would mean hiring a specialty archetecture company, making structures more complex and thus raising the prices of EVERY SINGLE UNIT within the tower - and then people start complaining how they're not affordable.


They do look like they belong in North Korea or the projects.They don't have to be extravagant, just break it up somewhat with some differences and hights.Instead of the same on all five of them.Any architect that designed these could just as easily do better with a little imagination, without making them unaffordable.These are but ugly being five in your face buildings.
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby LANDM » Nov 24th, 2017, 6:32 pm

Queen K wrote:Orchards. There were orchards there. My dad drove over to see it with me in the car when I could barely walk. I know it's old. I have a ton of memories there. But that's not really the concern, it's the densification, the added traffic, more lies about what constitutes "green space" and the loss of horizon sight lines, which will be irreversible.

I mourn the losses Kelowna's had and I get it, some win, some lose.

OK, half of a shiny nickel.....the "why the name Capri" is still out there.

But, back on topic for me, we have people saying build out towards the surrounding hills so that the comments above are minimized. Then we have people saying to densify for greater urban efficiency. It is problematic and there’s no easy solution. However, as we struggle through the transition from sleepy agricultural town to a medium size city (for Canada), those changes will have to be made.

Unless we close and lock the gate into Kelowna......

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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby Queen K » Nov 24th, 2017, 6:35 pm

Oh for Godssake, I miss one detail, the Capozzis were from the Italian Island of Capri. Geeezzz,

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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby LANDM » Nov 24th, 2017, 6:57 pm

Queen K wrote:Oh for Godssake, I miss one detail, the Capozzis were from the Italian Island of Capri. Geeezzz,

I want my nickel.

Nope......and I’m taking your half nickel back, with that attitude. :D


Actually, I shouldn’t say no because maybe they were. But no to that being the reason for the name.
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby Queen K » Nov 24th, 2017, 7:00 pm

LANDM wrote:
Queen K wrote:Oh for Godssake, I miss one detail, the Capozzis were from the Italian Island of Capri. Geeezzz,

I want my nickel.

Nope......and I’m taking your half nickel back, with that attitude. :D


Actually, I shouldn’t say no because maybe they were. But no to that being the reason for the name.


Fine, keep your shiney nickel. I've got thousands of them. But I heard that was the reason for the name a long time ago. :biggrin:
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby WalterWhite » Nov 24th, 2017, 7:25 pm

Even Steven wrote:
Verum wrote:While I appreciate some people like Vancouver's architecture, I don't really think that Vancouver is particularly attractive.

Ok. Can you point me towards a typical residential tower that is beautiful in your eyes?

Not VPL or Science World, these are one-off commercial projects, I'm talking about a typical residential tower where people live. I've never walked anywhere and said "Oh my, this is a beautiful condo building". There are some, like Trump tower in Vancouver, but all of them are sold at the premium to a premium crowd. If they were to spend the extra money on beautiful architecture and custom-made design the price would definitely sky rocket and they wouldn't be able to sell it to the general public (and general public would moan and groan about overpriced condos).

Same reason you see so many cookie-cutter houses and not a whole lot of custom-made ones. The latter cost a lot more money, far from everybody can afford it. And if developer was to sell their custom-designed houses at cookie-cutter prices they'd just go out of business, margins would get eaten up by customization.

Verum wrote:The Montevideo in Rotterdam is interesting and residential, though probably not beautiful. Still vastly better than what is being proposed. It is not exactly a premium tower either. It's even more interesting than Trump tower Vancouver, which is just an ordinary glass tower with a literal twist (I can imagine how that meeting went- let's do a glass tower, but with a twist). I certainly wouldn't describe either as beautiful, but I know which I would like to see on the horizon.

Actually, both Rotterdam and Hamburg have some interesting architecture. They also do high-density living very well. We could definitely learn from them.


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. Like anything of aesthetic nature, it's beauty is subjective to the eyes of the viewer - and always will be. Case in point - your Rotterdam Montevideo. To be honest, at first glance to me it looks like it's made from salvaged materials (not that there's anything wrong with recycling)

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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Nov 24th, 2017, 7:52 pm

Been a few days since I posted,
Capri used to be Pridhams Orchard, I remember walking the brand new sidewalk with a field of fruit tree stumps where the west parking lot is.
I believe the name came from the island, but not that Capozzis lived there.
I grew up in 5 Bridges, smack in the Middle of that area, 2 or 3 houses sout if Dickson Avem lived there till I was 17.
When we moved out another forum member moved in... the guy with the monkey!

Speaking if attractive buildings, I don't like most hirises, but I like Centuria, and I really really like the Madison.
If the Aquilinis build on Bernard, it better be the Madison style..
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Nov 24th, 2017, 8:02 pm

Forgot to add my reason to post, well this and the Madison.
I must look at the plan..I see mention of Ritchie Brook.. I grew up on it, it went thru our yard. I caught Hundreds of Brook trout in that creek , we even had a boat in that creek. MOST PEOPLE though NEVER Even Heard of it ..
Yeah 5 Bridges as it was called then, was a very cool place to grow up..
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby Scrobins94 » Nov 25th, 2017, 3:09 am

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:
Speaking if attractive buildings, I don't like most hirises, but I like Centuria, and I really really like the Madison.
If the Aquilinis build on Bernard, it better be the Madison style..


Previous concept of 24 Kelowna in Bernard Avenue.

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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby LANDM » Nov 25th, 2017, 9:40 am

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:Been a few days since I posted,
Capri used to be Pridhams Orchard, I remember walking the brand new sidewalk with a field of fruit tree stumps where the west parking lot is.
I believe the name came from the island, but not that Capozzis lived there.
I grew up in 5 Bridges, smack in the Middle of that area, 2 or 3 houses sout if Dickson Avem lived there till I was 17.
When we moved out another forum member moved in... the guy with the monkey!

Speaking if attractive buildings, I don't like most hirises, but I like Centuria, and I really really like the Madison.
If the Aquilinis build on Bernard, it better be the Madison style..


Bingo, we have a sort-of winner!!
CAPpozzi-PRIdham Cap-pri yields Capri. That it also happens to be the island simply made it work out well.
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby bjsilent » Nov 25th, 2017, 10:25 am

Spruce up Capri Mall and area all ya want the transients,junkies and drunks will just ruin it like they've already have!!!
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby trapp » Nov 25th, 2017, 11:23 am

Looking at the op's post the picture shows 5 high rises. The drawing below shows a total of 10 high rises. Are the other 5 in the future after the five pictured are built?
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby Catri » Nov 25th, 2017, 12:54 pm

trapp wrote:Looking at the op's post the picture shows 5 high rises. The drawing below shows a total of 10 high rises. Are the other 5 in the future after the five pictured are built?

The oval building by the hotel is the 6th tower in the rendering, the other four are along the bottom (along Gordon Dr.). It's just that in the view they chose to portray you're looking directly down onto those 4 buildings and their height is not obvious from that perspective.
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Re: Capri Master Plan

Postby JayByrd » Nov 25th, 2017, 1:09 pm

bjsilent wrote:Spruce up Capri Mall and area all ya want the transients,junkies and drunks will just ruin it like they've already have!!!


I beg to differ. I live in the area. I live metres from a park that they hang out in. But I mind my business and they mind theirs. They haven't ruined anything for me.
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