Kelowna violent crime

Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby CapitalB » Dec 11th, 2017, 4:02 pm

lightspeed wrote:
MrBrocksEgo wrote:Who said anything about giving them a job. I was suggesting giving them a universal basic income and seeing if they imploded or floated


This is not Sweden.


Nope its Canada, we're testing that and its apparetly going thorough in Quebec
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby GordonH » Dec 11th, 2017, 4:10 pm

GordonH wrote:Well, we that it's called welfare.

MrBrocksEgo wrote:Thats not the same thing. Welfare isn't a livable amount even if you don't do crack its barely enough for the cheapest rental unit, with maybe a small amount left over for whatever. I've spoken with welfare crackheads before, they basically use their welfare check as a monthly investment in the crack stock market.

I'm suggesting that giving them such a small amount almost enables their lifestyle. Welfare gives them enough for crack and nothing else, if say they (and other non crack users) were given enough for the necessities of left with a slim comfort zone on top. Which for the general crack user would hopefully be enough for crack and a normal living situation.

On paper this would result in less crime by them being able to ruin their lives on government money.

Also before the cries of "but mah tax money!" get to crazy: These people are already a burden on our tax dollars, keeping someone in prison costs around $100k a year and when they get out they basically just go back in because they have no value as an ex con. Any way you spin it just giving ~$20k (which is a way high amount) a year would cost less than that.


I have absolutely no problem giving those with a disability a living base wage, I would encourage the Government to do this.

Able body people need to find a job or go back to school & improve themselves, just giving out a living wage to anyone would just encourage what we already have just more so... more lazy people having nothing better to do then drink or take drugs.
Absolutely no incentive to do better for themselves
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby CapitalB » Dec 11th, 2017, 4:13 pm

GordonH wrote:
GordonH wrote:Well, we that it's called welfare.

MrBrocksEgo wrote:Thats not the same thing. Welfare isn't a livable amount even if you don't do crack its barely enough for the cheapest rental unit, with maybe a small amount left over for whatever. I've spoken with welfare crackheads before, they basically use their welfare check as a monthly investment in the crack stock market.

I'm suggesting that giving them such a small amount almost enables their lifestyle. Welfare gives them enough for crack and nothing else, if say they (and other non crack users) were given enough for the necessities of left with a slim comfort zone on top. Which for the general crack user would hopefully be enough for crack and a normal living situation.

On paper this would result in less crime by them being able to ruin their lives on government money.

Also before the cries of "but mah tax money!" get to crazy: These people are already a burden on our tax dollars, keeping someone in prison costs around $100k a year and when they get out they basically just go back in because they have no value as an ex con. Any way you spin it just giving ~$20k (which is a way high amount) a year would cost less than that.


I have absolutely no problem giving those with a disability a living base wage, I would encourage the Government to do this.

Able body people need to find a job or go back to school & improve themselves, just giving out a living wage to anyone would just encourage what we already have just more so... more lazy people having nothing better to do then drink or take drugs.
Absolutely so incentive to do better for themselves


I feel like bettering yourself is enough incentive for most. The people that are going to waste away their lives on drugs or alcohol or whatever are going to do that regardless. We're spending money on them one way or another. Jail, social services, healthcare, out reach programs. We're already spending the money why not streamline the whole thing into one system that doesn't discriminate beyond enabling people to eat and sleep in a place?
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby GordonH » Dec 11th, 2017, 4:25 pm

MrBrocksEgo wrote:I feel like bettering yourself is enough incentive for most. The people that are going to waste away their lives on drugs or alcohol or whatever are going to do that regardless. We're spending money on them one way or another. Jail, social services, healthcare, out reach programs. We're already spending the money why not streamline the whole thing into one system that doesn't discriminate beyond enabling people to eat and sleep in a place?


Everyone has that choice (what I underlined), what causes the difference between those who actual do & those who don't. Is just plain laziness. Everyone wants the benefits of bettering themselves, many don't want to do the work it takes to do so (hence LAZY).
Latter would be very eager to get a living wage i.e money for doing nothing.
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby nikonfan » Dec 11th, 2017, 4:29 pm

I sure hope the gun used at Subway was registered! :biggrin:

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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby the truth » Dec 11th, 2017, 5:33 pm

[qute="MrBrocksEgo"]
Bman wrote:
MrBrocksEgo wrote:But then we're just throwing money away locking people up for decades. What if we could spend the same amount or less on finding ways for them to live without being shady pieces of human waste?

I'm sure Corcan will have them pay their way by keeping them busy making mdf furniture .
Corcan is getting pretty profitable.


That always just feels like slavery to me though. I mean sure they're technically prisoners with jobs, but when you get down to it whats the difference there.[/quote]

the more money you give them the more drugs they will buy,
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby CapitalB » Dec 11th, 2017, 5:35 pm

the truth wrote:[qute="MrBrocksEgo"]

That always just feels like slavery to me though. I mean sure they're technically prisoners with jobs, but when you get down to it whats the difference there.


the more money you give them the more drugs they will buy,[/quote]

Then just set up the government to sell all the drugs and we have a perfect system.
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby normaM » Dec 11th, 2017, 5:59 pm

Since his face is clearly visible should be easy enuff to ID
I remember when the TD bank was robbed, getaway bike
Then the guy returned
so the bank hired a security guard. I guess so he could yell stop or I'll toss my key ring at you.
I mean, how much money could a Subway have? Watch over $5000
Why do some think he is an addict? Perhaps he just wanted to see the Joy on his children's face Christmas morn when they realize Santa visited.
Funnier he didn't demand a sub to go
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby Bpeep » Dec 11th, 2017, 9:06 pm

With such a nice photo of him I bet the offender is quickly apprehended, I also bet he's so stupid he doesn't even know yet that he's going to jail.
Too bad ya just can't shoot these idiots in the back on their way out the door.
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby dirtybiker » Dec 11th, 2017, 9:24 pm

Baby it's gettin' cold outside..

Remanded in custody, a nice onesy to wear, 3 squares a day, a well equipped gym
and workshop. smokes, tv, library...
A new boyfriend....ahhh... a nice winter vacay....
"Don't 'p' down my neck then tell me it's raining!"

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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby the truth » Dec 11th, 2017, 9:48 pm

its called doing time in canada, you forgot, all the meds to get high they want
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby voice of reason » Dec 11th, 2017, 10:02 pm

MrBrocksEgo wrote:

Thats not the same thing. Welfare isn't a livable amount even if you don't do crack its barely enough for the cheapest rental unit, with maybe a small amount left over for whatever. I've spoken with welfare crackheads before, they basically use their welfare check as a monthly investment in the crack stock market.

I'm suggesting that giving them such a small amount almost enables their lifestyle. Welfare gives them enough for crack and nothing else, if say they (and other non crack users) were given enough for the necessities of left with a slim comfort zone on top. Which for the general crack user would hopefully be enough for crack and a normal living situation.

On paper this would result in less crime by them being able to ruin their lives on government money.

Also before the cries of "but mah tax money!" get to crazy: These people are already a burden on our tax dollars, keeping someone in prison costs around $100k a year and when they get out they basically just go back in because they have no value as an ex con. Any way you spin it just giving ~$20k (which is a way high amount) a year would cost less than that.


or we could give them nothing and they can F off

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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby Zoso » Dec 12th, 2017, 7:00 am

That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard . Give them more . If you gave them more they could get an even better crappy drug dealer car like a white chrysler 300 and rob peoples garages . More doesnt make them not lie to their children and family any less. They will just buy more smokes and treat their buddies to beer and pizza because they were always the leach. I avoid people like that, like the plague.
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby AlienSoldier » Dec 12th, 2017, 7:24 am

the truth wrote:[qute="MrBrocksEgo"]
Bman wrote:But then we're just throwing money away locking people up for decades. What if we could spend the same amount or less on finding ways for them to live without being shady pieces of human waste?

I'm sure Corcan will have them pay their way by keeping them busy making mdf furniture .
Corcan is getting pretty profitable.


That always just feels like slavery to me though. I mean sure they're technically prisoners with jobs, but when you get down to it whats the difference there.[/quote]

the more money you give them the more drugs they will buy,[quote]

Isn't this just reducing wages and taking jobs away from the average person? Its welfare in another form. At the end of the day society will have many different types of people, simple solutions will not work because the problems are so complex.

In major cities they are trying to use proper therapists to help those who are addicted/homeless/robbers and seen some good results. I remember reading a report from Mississauga where the cost to the City was reduced by 32% since they did not need to throw someone in jail or feed them on the street in the long term. In the short term it was more difficult because they needed housing, food, and regular visit's with the therapists.

Also, I realise this will not work for everyone, but for every 2 or 3 that it works for, you see significant savings.
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Re: Kelowna violent crime

Postby Bpeep » Dec 12th, 2017, 11:10 am

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#213390
I wonder if this is the guy who robbed that subway store.
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