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lightspeed wrote:

MrBrocksEgo wrote:Who said anything about giving them a job. I was suggesting giving them a universal basic income and seeing if they imploded or floated

This is not Sweden.

GordonH wrote:Well, we that it's called welfare.

MrBrocksEgo wrote:Thats not the same thing. Welfare isn't a livable amount even if you don't do crack its barely enough for the cheapest rental unit, with maybe a small amount left over for whatever. I've spoken with welfare crackheads before, they basically use their welfare check as a monthly investment in the crack stock market.

I'm suggesting that giving them such a small amount almost enables their lifestyle. Welfare gives them enough for crack and nothing else, if say they (and other non crack users) were given enough for the necessities of left with a slim comfort zone on top. Which for the general crack user would hopefully be enough for crack and a normal living situation.

On paper this would result in less crime by them being able to ruin their lives on government money.

Also before the cries of "but mah tax money!" get to crazy: These people are already a burden on our tax dollars, keeping someone in prison costs around $100k a year and when they get out they basically just go back in because they have no value as an ex con. Any way you spin it just giving ~$20k (which is a way high amount) a year would cost less than that.

GordonH wrote:

GordonH wrote:Well, we that it's called welfare.

MrBrocksEgo wrote:Thats not the same thing. Welfare isn't a livable amount even if you don't do crack its barely enough for the cheapest rental unit, with maybe a small amount left over for whatever. I've spoken with welfare crackheads before, they basically use their welfare check as a monthly investment in the crack stock market.

I'm suggesting that giving them such a small amount almost enables their lifestyle. Welfare gives them enough for crack and nothing else, if say they (and other non crack users) were given enough for the necessities of left with a slim comfort zone on top. Which for the general crack user would hopefully be enough for crack and a normal living situation.

On paper this would result in less crime by them being able to ruin their lives on government money.

Also before the cries of "but mah tax money!" get to crazy: These people are already a burden on our tax dollars, keeping someone in prison costs around $100k a year and when they get out they basically just go back in because they have no value as an ex con. Any way you spin it just giving ~$20k (which is a way high amount) a year would cost less than that.

I have absolutely no problem giving those with a disability a living base wage, I would encourage the Government to do this.

Able body people need to find a job or go back to school & improve themselves, just giving out a living wage to anyone would just encourage what we already have just more so... more lazy people having nothing better to do then drink or take drugs.
Absolutely so incentive to do better for themselves

MrBrocksEgo wrote:I feel like bettering yourself is enough incentive for most. The people that are going to waste away their lives on drugs or alcohol or whatever are going to do that regardless. We're spending money on them one way or another. Jail, social services, healthcare, out reach programs. We're already spending the money why not streamline the whole thing into one system that doesn't discriminate beyond enabling people to eat and sleep in a place?

Bman wrote:

MrBrocksEgo wrote:But then we're just throwing money away locking people up for decades. What if we could spend the same amount or less on finding ways for them to live without being shady pieces of human waste?

I'm sure Corcan will have them pay their way by keeping them busy making mdf furniture .
Corcan is getting pretty profitable.

the truth wrote:[qute="MrBrocksEgo"]

That always just feels like slavery to me though. I mean sure they're technically prisoners with jobs, but when you get down to it whats the difference there.

MrBrocksEgo wrote:

Thats not the same thing. Welfare isn't a livable amount even if you don't do crack its barely enough for the cheapest rental unit, with maybe a small amount left over for whatever. I've spoken with welfare crackheads before, they basically use their welfare check as a monthly investment in the crack stock market.

I'm suggesting that giving them such a small amount almost enables their lifestyle. Welfare gives them enough for crack and nothing else, if say they (and other non crack users) were given enough for the necessities of left with a slim comfort zone on top. Which for the general crack user would hopefully be enough for crack and a normal living situation.

On paper this would result in less crime by them being able to ruin their lives on government money.

Also before the cries of "but mah tax money!" get to crazy: These people are already a burden on our tax dollars, keeping someone in prison costs around $100k a year and when they get out they basically just go back in because they have no value as an ex con. Any way you spin it just giving ~$20k (which is a way high amount) a year would cost less than that.

the truth wrote:[qute="MrBrocksEgo"]

Bman wrote:But then we're just throwing money away locking people up for decades. What if we could spend the same amount or less on finding ways for them to live without being shady pieces of human waste?

I'm sure Corcan will have them pay their way by keeping them busy making mdf furniture .
Corcan is getting pretty profitable.