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Traffic fines should not go to the city

Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby CapitalB » Dec 14th, 2017, 3:25 pm

From the ongoing budget article;

As a way to offset the loss of more than $300,000 in traffic fine revenue shared by the province, Coun. Gail Given brought up the motorists four-letter word, 'photo radar.'

"It might help to improve the safety of our roads if we could get back to that, and there might be some revenue share available for us," said Given.


I think giving traffic fine money directly to the city encourages them to create a city traffic flow that pushes people into speeding.

I'm pretty sure everyone that lives in kelowna has experienced the 'every light' scenario while driving around. There seems to be no concept of flow to our traffic through out the day. Any main road will have you hitting nearly every light every time, some of them even default cross road lights on main roads to red. If going the speed limit makes you hit every light thats a problem with the traffic system, and having it in control of the people profiting from it incentives finding ways to increase revenue year on year. Except they say its in the name of safety, really it makes people drive worse. If you go a bit faster maybe you'll make the lights.

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby khutchi » Dec 14th, 2017, 3:56 pm

MrBrocksEgo wrote:I think giving traffic fine money directly to the city encourages them to create a city traffic flow that pushes people into speeding.


Would make sense if the city had any mechanism to control traffic flow significantly.... but they don't really
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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby CapitalB » Dec 14th, 2017, 4:05 pm

khutchi wrote:
MrBrocksEgo wrote:I think giving traffic fine money directly to the city encourages them to create a city traffic flow that pushes people into speeding.


Would make sense if the city had any mechanism to control traffic flow significantly.... but they don't really


The traffic in most cities are part of a network, older systems have lights hooked up to independent computer systems that work off timers and sensors. Whichever we have they have a way of deciding what it does. If we don't have ours networked then our city has missed about 20 years of technology progress.
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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby GordonH » Dec 14th, 2017, 4:15 pm

I suspect the traffic lights along Harvey are under the control of MOT (since it's a Provincial highway), not the City of Kelowna.
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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby drex1999 » Dec 14th, 2017, 5:04 pm

Photo radar. Another tax grab for the city. Bring it in and I will vote you out. Council, I hope you're listening becuase I wouldn't be the only one

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby GordonH » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:58 pm

drex1999 wrote:Photo radar. Another tax grab for the city. Bring it in and I will vote you out. Council, I hope you're listening becuase I wouldn't be the only one


Seriously doubt the CoK would install photo radar, not so sure about the Provincial government. Since it was current party in power who bought in photo radar to BC in the 90s.
I never had an issue with it, also never got a ticket
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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby fz6adventure » Dec 14th, 2017, 7:22 pm

If Given is so concerned about the loss of the $300,000 and wanting to take from the pockets of the citizens, she should convince 6 of her fellow council cronies offer to work for free for a year. Photo radar is the age old scam ...... say it is about safety but it is really about revenue .... after all, what put her on the photo radar crusade!

There is another solution of course. If photo radar is adopted, take every single ticket through the court mill so that it becomes cost prohibitive.

This mayor and council needs to go!!!!

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby Ken7 » Dec 14th, 2017, 9:04 pm

MrBrocksEgo wrote:

I think giving traffic fine money directly to the city encourages them to create a city traffic flow that pushes people into speeding.

I'm pretty sure everyone that lives in kelowna has experienced the 'every light' scenario while driving around. There seems to be no concept of flow to our traffic through out the day. Any main road will have you hitting nearly every light every time, some of them even default cross road lights on main roads to red. If going the speed limit makes you hit every light thats a problem with the traffic system, and having it in control of the people profiting from it incentives finding ways to increase revenue year on year. Except they say its in the name of safety, really it makes people drive worse. If you go a bit faster maybe you'll make the lights.

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I do believe the Province sets the lights down Harvey as stated by another poster.

As for pushing people to speed, that is a interesting concept for sure, almost entrapment. It would further lead people to text right, because they are held up and they have nothing to do while they should be paying total attention to their driving.

I do not agree for a moment with you. In Saskatchewan the City always received a portion of the fines brought in. Yes everyone thinks the Police then write more tickets, not true and further more no prizes for writing more and we had no quota.

It makes some sense that the City does receive some revenue, they are paying the bill for enforcement and without as observed, traffic lights do not count for anything. Possibly with the additional funds, they might be able to purchase more police hours which in the end will make our streets safer.

Currently I think it is lacking and it is reflected by the number of serious accidents in this city.
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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby suzuki » Dec 14th, 2017, 9:30 pm

The question no one is asking is why are Traffic Fine revenues down $300,000.00 ? Very seldom do you see any traffic enforcement in Kelowna. Very seldom do you see any enforcement on the Coq compared to a few years ago so I wonder what traffic laws are being enforced and is this reason for the revenues being down.

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby voice of reason » Dec 15th, 2017, 12:23 am

so they handed out 300k less fines than last year and now they want to find a way to squeeze some more juice out of taxpayers who have not been getting enough tickets for their liking?how about enforce the laws that already exist.i see people driving in the hov lane with single occupancy and i see people texting and talking every day.when is the last time you went thru a seatbelt checkpoint or roadside vehicle inspection? there may be some counter attck action right now but it will go away as soon as the holidays are over.it seems like the city just wants some money but when it comes down to hiring some extra cops they dont want to shell out any dough.years ago these traffic stops used to be more frequent.there used to be a roadblock by the apple bowl and one at the north end of rutland road quite often.counter attack used to pop up on highway 97 by the capri and again on the west side of the bridge.photo radar is just a way for them to get free money without putting in any effort

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby Scrobins94 » Dec 15th, 2017, 1:10 am

Disgusting by Councillor Gail Given. "traffic fine revenue"... Like what the heck? Traffic fines should be seen as a safety enhancer, and no more. When you mix "safety" and "revenue", you automatically disqualify yourself as in my opinion that represents a conflict of interest.

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby fz6adventure » Dec 15th, 2017, 7:17 am

Scrobins94 wrote:Disgusting by Councillor Gail Given. "traffic fine revenue"... Like what the heck? Traffic fines should be seen as a safety enhancer, and no more. When you mix "safety" and "revenue", you automatically disqualify yourself as in my opinion that represents a conflict of interest.


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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 15th, 2017, 7:51 am

Every single thing this council does or even talks of doing. Rubs me wrong. They need to be thrown out on their ear. Sent packing.

Photo radar is a cash cow.

Gail given is just a cow
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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby Ken7 » Dec 15th, 2017, 8:20 am

suzuki wrote:The question no one is asking is why are Traffic Fine revenues down $300,000.00 ? Very seldom do you see any traffic enforcement in Kelowna. Very seldom do you see any enforcement on the Coq compared to a few years ago so I wonder what traffic laws are being enforced and is this reason for the revenues being down.


Very valid point why and how could it be down that amount? Do the math on it at a average of $150.00 which may be high. No wonder our drivers do as they please.

Don't they drive like this in third world countries?

I'd love to see the bridge covered for a few days, they would have to involve Mario's as the speeds some do they would have their vehicles hooked!!

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Re: Traffic fines should not go to the city

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 15th, 2017, 8:23 am

Ken7 wrote:
suzuki wrote:The question no one is asking is why are Traffic Fine revenues down $300,000.00 ? Very seldom do you see any traffic enforcement in Kelowna. Very seldom do you see any enforcement on the Coq compared to a few years ago so I wonder what traffic laws are being enforced and is this reason for the revenues being down.


Very valid point why and how could it be down that amount? Do the math on it at a average of $150.00 which may be high. No wonder our drivers do as they please.

Don't they drive like this in third world countries?

I'd love to see the bridge covered for a few days, they would have to involve Mario's as the speeds some do they would have their vehicles hooked!!


Ya more enforcement. Thats the answer. Make people pay even more. Slow people down further. All in the name of revenue and F ing people over. Rite on
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