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Mission Flats too expensive?

Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby Queen K » Jan 9th, 2018, 9:46 pm

TylerM4 wrote:APARTMENT TYPE MONTHLY RENT SQUARE FEET
1 Bedroom
1 Bath $1249-1309 593

2 Bedroom
1 Bath $1419-1489 845 - 851

2 Bedroom
2 Bath $1499-1569 894 - 913

Looks like it'll help a little. Almost impossible to find a nice 2 bed suite for $1500 these days. They look fairly small tho.


This is what I mean by the so called "affordable housing" components in Central Green and that other building, what's it called, the one going up as a rental near the RCMP station we all just talked about. It's supposed to be 10% below regular market rental rates, right? But what are those "low rents" when rabbit hutches such as below 600 sq ft are renting at the ridiculous rates listed here?

$1,249 - $1,309 less 10% is supposedly going to be affordable??? What a joke, what a freaking joke!!!
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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby Farmmaa » Jan 10th, 2018, 1:02 am

Queen K wrote:
This is what I mean by the so called "affordable housing" components in Central Green and that other building, what's it called, the one going up as a rental near the RCMP station we all just talked about. It's supposed to be 10% below regular market rental rates, right? But what are those "low rents" when rabbit hutches such as below 600 sq ft are renting at the ridiculous rates listed here?

$1,249 - $1,309 less 10% is supposedly going to be affordable??? What a joke, what a freaking joke!!!


That's what ticks me off about this whole affordable housing crap.
Offer people rent that is 10% lower than 'market value'.
BUT - don't bother to consider the fact that anyone needing affordable housing is still screwed because the rentals here have increased by at least 15% just in the past year ( although it would appear that 15% is a lowball estimate, and they just keep going up every month )

So even if you use their 15%, that means that these 'affordable' units are still at least 5% over the average rental price.

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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby normaM » Jan 10th, 2018, 6:53 am

Cheaper than Van or Toronto. a problem will be people can't afford the rent so they get roomies, then there are 3 people in a one bedroom suite. Factor the wear and tear and pretty soon landlord jacks up the rent to pay to replace hallway carpets, etc.

And yes the 1 bedroom is small, but I grew up in a house that was tiny.. many ppl raised a pretty big fam in a small house. Now we want the walk in closet to be 500 sq ft.
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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby dominik » Jan 10th, 2018, 7:32 am

TylerM4 wrote:APARTMENT TYPE MONTHLY RENT SQUARE FEET
1 Bedroom
1 Bath $1249-1309 593

2 Bedroom
1 Bath $1419-1489 845 - 851

2 Bedroom
2 Bath $1499-1569 894 - 913



Okay... it is early and I am tired, but what the absolute hell? I knew there was another shoe to drop with those shoeboxes... Where are those 3 bedroom Townhouses they "built" for families on the property?

I have to say while I am usually looking fairly balanced at topics, in this case I am becoming increasingly more frustrated considering the whole Central Green Mess on top of all of this.

I remember the "Oh we are building 1000 affordable rental units in 2017" and how proud the city was of this. Now I am wondering if the developers are either just pulling the wool over the cities eyes or simply don't give a *******.

Those prices, for the size of apartments are absolutely too high. Even Stober in the Flats (by Burtch and Kirschner) was cheaper last year and gave you more in space and amenities.

I am seriously tired to see people working themselves to the bone in this town just to survive by paying rent nevermind other costs. We have a national housing crisis, but apparently this matters very little when it comes to the bottom line...

*bleep* me 1249 to 1300 for a 1 bedroom... Worse yet we know its going to rent even though people can't afford it... Welcome to Kelowna, and the Okanagan where we imagine that we are such a big deal in the movie industry (fail), technology sector (fail) and cultural & tourism sectors (fail)... urban sprawl without any controls, high unemployment and highest opiate death rate in all of canada (win, win, win)....

Jeez we need to stop living in this high society dreamworld and accept that we are a city with serious issues which need to be addressed before the dreams...

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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby dominik » Jan 10th, 2018, 8:00 am

Ah.. so just checked their site...

Townhome Type Monthly Rent Square Feet Availability
1 Bedroom
1 Bath $1269 673 May 2018
3 Bedroom
2.5 Bath $1899 1452 May 2018


Fun fact underground parking seems to be an additional 125... a month...

Incentives
$50 Parking Credit
TELUS Optik TV & Internet

Parking
Surface Stall $50
Underground $125

Pet Friendly
Cats & Dogs
Under 35lbs

Now it seems they include TV so there are some "savings" if you consider that this maybe another 100 bucks in addition to your rent.... then again they charge nearly 300 over the CMHC recommendations for rent... and then add another 50 to 125 for parking (it could be they include a stall with each unit but then they don't mention that... so I could be wrong here).

So a 1 Bedroom could be 1299 to 1349... plus utilities... if you have the need for a stall... outside... inside... then we are in the 1400 neighborhood... Holy *bleep*!
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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby Jflem1983 » Jan 10th, 2018, 8:03 am

dominik wrote:Ah.. so just checked their site...

Townhome Type Monthly Rent Square Feet Availability
1 Bedroom
1 Bath $1269 673 May 2018
3 Bedroom
2.5 Bath $1899 1452 May 2018


Fun fact underground parking seems to be an additional 125... a month...

Incentives
$50 Parking Credit
TELUS Optik TV & Internet

Parking
Surface Stall $50
Underground $125

Pet Friendly
Cats & Dogs
Under 35lbs

Now it seems they include TV so there are some "savings" if you consider that this maybe another 100 bucks in addition to your rent.... then again they charge nearly 300 over the CMHC recommendations for rent... and then add another 50 to 125 for parking (it could be they include a stall with each unit but then they don't mention that... so I could be wrong here).

So a 1 Bedroom could be 1299 to 1349... plus utilities... if you have the need for a stall... outside... inside... then we are in the 1400 neighborhood... Holy *bleep*!


3 bedroom sounds like a deal at those rates.
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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby dominik » Jan 10th, 2018, 8:28 am

Yup but I do think there are very few of those... So... oh and don't forget to add on a parking stall or two :P
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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby TMBOkanagan » Jan 10th, 2018, 6:08 pm

Where are the Mission Flats?

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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby GordonH » Jan 10th, 2018, 7:51 pm

TMBOkanagan wrote:Where are the Mission Flats?

Next to Immaculata High School on K.L.O

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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby lightspeed » Jan 10th, 2018, 7:55 pm

dominik wrote:
TylerM4 wrote:APARTMENT TYPE MONTHLY RENT SQUARE FEET
1 Bedroom
1 Bath $1249-1309 593

2 Bedroom
1 Bath $1419-1489 845 - 851

2 Bedroom
2 Bath $1499-1569 894 - 913



Okay... it is early and I am tired, but what the absolute hell? I knew there was another shoe to drop with those shoeboxes... Where are those 3 bedroom Townhouses they "built" for families on the property?

I have to say while I am usually looking fairly balanced at topics, in this case I am becoming increasingly more frustrated considering the whole Central Green Mess on top of all of this.

I remember the "Oh we are building 1000 affordable rental units in 2017" and how proud the city was of this. Now I am wondering if the developers are either just pulling the wool over the cities eyes or simply don't give a *******.

Those prices, for the size of apartments are absolutely too high. Even Stober in the Flats (by Burtch and Kirschner) was cheaper last year and gave you more in space and amenities.

I am seriously tired to see people working themselves to the bone in this town just to survive by paying rent nevermind other costs. We have a national housing crisis, but apparently this matters very little when it comes to the bottom line...

*bleep* me 1249 to 1300 for a 1 bedroom... Worse yet we know its going to rent even though people can't afford it... Welcome to Kelowna, and the Okanagan where we imagine that we are such a big deal in the movie industry (fail), technology sector (fail) and cultural & tourism sectors (fail)... urban sprawl without any controls, high unemployment and highest opiate death rate in all of canada (win, win, win)....

Jeez we need to stop living in this high society dreamworld and accept that we are a city with serious issues which need to be addressed before the dreams...


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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby Anonymous123 » Jan 10th, 2018, 8:13 pm

TMBOkanagan wrote:Where are the Mission Flats?

GordonH wrote:Next to Immaculata High School on K.L.O

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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby Even Steven » Jan 11th, 2018, 10:28 pm

It's not that bad. For brand new places especially.

Tv and internet included.

I remember paying $1,000 for an old 2 br condo. Nine years ago.

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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby Jflem1983 » Jan 11th, 2018, 10:32 pm

Even Steven wrote:It's not that bad. For brand new places especially.

Tv and internet included.

I remember paying $1,000 for an old 2 br condo. Nine years ago.



Yep i paid 600 plus bills for a room in rutland with no heat about 8 years back. People are confused. They think expensive rent is new. Yes its gone up fast. Not as fast as gas though
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Re: Mission Flats too expensive?

Postby dominik » Jan 11th, 2018, 10:47 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:
Even Steven wrote:It's not that bad. For brand new places especially.

Tv and internet included.

I remember paying $1,000 for an old 2 br condo. Nine years ago.



Yep i paid 600 plus bills for a room in rutland with no heat about 8 years back. People are confused. They think expensive rent is new. Yes its gone up fast. Not as fast as gas though


That isn't an entirely good comparison. 8 years ago a 2 Bedroom unit was roughly between 1000-1200 including parking stall, the same unit rents now for 1700, making it an over 40% increase in rent. Gas in the same time frame went from about 80 cents to 1.20 which is yes a 50% increase but as a comparison it is flawed as gas "could be saved" while housing is essentially a necessity.

In addition 8 years ago a 1 Bedroom unit was around 640 dollars (if you rented then and weren't grandfathered into a lower rate). At this point you are hard pressed to get a single bedroom shared with other roommates for under 700.

Seeing the new "affordable" rental costs would actually increase these numbers and while Mission Flats is better than others its unit sizes are MUCH smaller for higher cost. And don't forget the parking stall costs.

The overall picture isn't pretty, and while rental and gas costs increased at a record pace, wages most certainly have not.

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