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Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 13th, 2018, 1:54 am
by dominik
cv23 wrote:
I guess that's why all the towers right on the lake have underground parking
The only tower currently which has actual underground parking is the Skye Tower and I "think" the 1815 is having a partial underground parkade. None of the Sunset Drive, Centuria, Executive House, Delta, and Discovery Bay units have underground parking. They lifted the development mostly and built it so that the parking structure is at or above ground level. (This was a major issue for Centuria from what I remember).
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 13th, 2018, 2:02 am
by Jflem1983
dominik wrote:cv23 wrote:
I guess that's why all the towers right on the lake have underground parking
The only tower currently which has actual underground parking is the Skye Tower and I "think" the 1815 is having a partial underground parkade. None of the Sunset Drive, Centuria, Executive House, Delta, and Discovery Bay units have underground parking. They lifted the development mostly and built it so that the parking structure is at or above ground level. (This was a major issue for Centuria from what I remember).
Centuria has a creek running under it. I worked on the foundation there
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 13th, 2018, 6:24 am
by JLives
dominik wrote:
The only tower currently which has actual underground parking is the Skye Tower and I "think" the 1815 is having a partial underground parkade. None of the Sunset Drive, Centuria, Executive House, Delta, and Discovery Bay units have underground parking. They lifted the development mostly and built it so that the parking structure is at or above ground level. (This was a major issue for Centuria from what I remember).
Discovery Bay has underground parking. So does Waterscapes.
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 13th, 2018, 6:38 am
by dle
I imagine it would require some serious planning to build anything in Kelowna just about anywhere because there are underground creeks apparently running willy-nilly all over the place underneath Kelowna. Even up in Glenmore a lot of the homes have to have sumps and there are little creeks and much bigger creeks all over underneath the Capri area and other areas downtown. Kind of like the tunnels from prohibition days when ol' Mr. Capone & Associates were running rum underground in Saskatchewan lol (yep, Moose Jaw to be exact) but not as much of a fun story! If you ever find yourself in Moose Jaw take the tunnel tour - very cool and fun history lesson!
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 13th, 2018, 8:35 am
by Lady tehMa
Discovery Bay had issues with parking underground, and for a few years, it was off limits while they fixed it. It has been fixed for a while. The Skye building in Waterscapes I don't know about, but I do know with the Osprey buildings there have issues with water in the underground parking. For months last year they had 3 firehoses draining water into the street, and then they moved the hoses to drain into the creek. That was a flood year though - on a normal year it's only one fire hose into the street. Not sure about the Herons, though. Ella will be further from the lake, and I think their parking levels will be above ground.
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 13th, 2018, 10:04 am
by Fancy
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Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 14th, 2018, 5:18 pm
by Mytown
Sopa is on target for April completion! I see exterior railing going up this weekend and appliances have been rolling in. Based on resale prices in the building I wish I had bought a couple! I think the project going in next to the El will be another winner.
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 14th, 2018, 7:41 pm
by 60-YEARS-in-Ktown
Easier to get rid of the water when you are beside the lake.
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 14th, 2018, 7:50 pm
by GordonH
Jflem1983 wrote:A few of those towers have serious issues.
Knowing large part of the north end of Kelowna was a swamp at one time, it's no surprise.
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 14th, 2018, 9:39 pm
by Jflem1983
Mytown wrote:Sopa is on target for April completion! I see exterior railing going up this weekend and appliances have been rolling in. Based on resale prices in the building I wish I had bought a couple! I think the project going in next to the El will be another winner.
Was told june by some workers. Either way it is getting close
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 15th, 2018, 7:03 am
by dle
GordonH wrote:Jflem1983 wrote:A few of those towers have serious issues.
Knowing large part of the north end of Kelowna was a swamp at one time, it's no surprise.
It's a bit of a puzzler why, with that being the case, that highrises are allowed to be built on those grounds. They must do geological and water studies etc before anything is allowed to be built right? To make sure the ground is able to hold the proposed building? So everything is perfectly safe right? Except maybe not so much.
Ella is set farther back from the lake but there are still the creeks underground. It's not far from Mill Creek. How do we know they DID the geological survey first? There have been several issues with different projects so it stands to reason we might wonder.
If it is always thoroughly studied first, why is it then that Central Green is not able to have it's towers as submitted to City Council. The thing is 3/4 built and NOW they say a geological study says the site can't support the towers?
To my mind, all of that type of study should happen, and results in hand, to be submitted with the propoosal to the City SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET, and certainly BEFORE breaking ground on the project, to MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
Sounds to me like the process is quite hit and miss. Not that we get earthquakes here often for sure, just a tremor or so every now and then, BUT.....
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 15th, 2018, 7:50 am
by LANDM
dle wrote:
It's a bit of a puzzler why, with that being the case, that highrises are allowed to be built on those grounds. They must do geological and water studies etc before anything is allowed to be built right? To make sure the ground is able to hold the proposed building? So everything is perfectly safe right? Except maybe not so much.
Ella is set farther back from the lake but there are still the creeks underground. It's not far from Mill Creek. How do we know they DID the geological survey first? There have been several issues with different projects so it stands to reason we might wonder.
If it is always thoroughly studied first, why is it then that Central Green is not able to have it's towers as submitted to City Council. The thing is 3/4 built and NOW they say a geological study says the site can't support the towers?
To my mind, all of that type of study should happen, and results in hand, to be submitted with the propoosal to the City SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET, and certainly BEFORE breaking ground on the project, to MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
Sounds to me like the process is quite hit and miss. Not that we get earthquakes here often for sure, just a tremor or so every now and then, BUT.....
It’s called "engineering". Professionals are able to, firstly, determine if the developer is able to build on a site and, secondly, assist in the design requirements so that the building is sound.
Neither new nor novel. Happens all the time all around the world. The best real estate is always by water and these issues are commonplace.
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 15th, 2018, 8:51 am
by dle
LANDM wrote:dle wrote:
It's a bit of a puzzler why, with that being the case, that highrises are allowed to be built on those grounds. They must do geological and water studies etc before anything is allowed to be built right? To make sure the ground is able to hold the proposed building? So everything is perfectly safe right? Except maybe not so much.
Ella is set farther back from the lake but there are still the creeks underground. It's not far from Mill Creek. How do we know they DID the geological survey first? There have been several issues with different projects so it stands to reason we might wonder.
If it is always thoroughly studied first, why is it then that Central Green is not able to have it's towers as submitted to City Council. The thing is 3/4 built and NOW they say a geological study says the site can't support the towers?
To my mind, all of that type of study should happen, and results in hand, to be submitted with the propoosal to the City SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET, and certainly BEFORE breaking ground on the project, to MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
Sounds to me like the process is quite hit and miss. Not that we get earthquakes here often for sure, just a tremor or so every now and then, BUT.....
It’s called "engineering". Professionals are able to, firstly, determine if the developer is able to build on a site and, secondly, assist in the design requirements so that the building is sound.
Neither new nor novel. Happens all the time all around the world. The best real estate is always by water and these issues are commonplace.
Sure understand that, but proximity to water set aside for now, how is it the engineers who were doing the determining at Central Green, for instance, didn't pick up that the site can't support the towers, until 3/4 of the way into the build?
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 15th, 2018, 10:39 am
by 60-YEARS-in-Ktown
I think it depends on the type of build and the cost.
At central it would be cost prohibitive, for the return, or too high for budget.
But at the water they are even higher and pricing is much different.
Keep all the bowling pins together and if they fall they don't take other things down, just bowling pins...
Re: Ella set to rise.....
Posted: Jan 15th, 2018, 12:03 pm
by dle
60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:I think it depends on the type of build and the cost.
At central it would be cost prohibitive, for the return, or too high for budget.
But at the water they are even higher and pricing is much different.
Keep all the bowling pins together and if they fall they don't take other things down, just bowling pins...
Excerpt from Castanet article Jan 9:
"I think the challenge I'm facing is every step along the way on this site, there has been the notion that, it's coming, it's coming. Just do this now, and you'll get it somewhere else. And, what we've discovered, that isn't likely to be the case," said Coun. Brad Sieben.
A representative for the developer confirmed to council adding height to the final parcel fronting Harvey Avenue would be difficult due to geo-technical challenges on the site.
He said they are limited in height from a cost perspective.So from this article it sounds like the developer kept saying towers are coming, they never mentioned geo-technical issues or cost problems, until the City asked where's our towers that you keep saying are coming? Now, the developer is saying they are limited from a "cost perspective" - how did they not know there were geo-technical issues that were going to put the cost into a no-go zone from the git-go if the engineer-types had done their due diligence?